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Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by sangnoir »

yadaeno wrote: post #130
jakelazaroff wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of attention spent on Chesa Boudin and shoplifting is puzzling. Wage theft is by far the biggest form of stealing, and it’s rarely — if ever — prosecuted… but instead we’re worried about a small increase in petty larceny?

We shouldn't have to choose between wage theft or regular theft. Also has Boudin done anything significant to combat wage theft? Or do you think since wage theft exists "burn it all down".

Police and prosecutorial resources are limited. They have to be prioritized by necessity.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

tsywke44 wrote: post #170
aerosmile wrote: post #159

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Spoiler alert: the murder rate in Russia is 40% higher than in the US, and that's despite the very different gun laws [1][2]. Nothing ruins a good story like facts. That's also why you should always raise before you launch or enter a new market, etc. People are suckers for a story, and our brains are pre-wired to explain phenomena rather than to question them. Once you master that psychology (and manipulation) of peo…

There's a HUGE difference between getting murdered by your friend in a drunken argument, and getting murdered by a stranger street criminal trying to rob you....

There is? Either way you're still dead.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by sangnoir »

splintercell wrote: post #75
InfiniteRand wrote: post #61

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I think you should always take these type of articles with a grain of salt. The author seems keen to play up the drama

It feels like there’s a clear class difference. Almost all of these people are Hispanic/brown immigrants. If this was happening, and presuming it was worse than what the article described, what are the chances that you would know about it?

As a thought experiment, how long would it take for NYPD to respond if young, middle-class, college-aged joggers were being attacked with the same frequency at some dark Central Park corner.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

nerdponx wrote: post #175
josephorjoe wrote: post #173

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Robbery of delivery workers has long been a problem in the city complicated by the fact that many of them don't trust/don't feel safe going to the police. My first time on jury duty in nyc the case was armed robbery of a delivery worker to steal his cell phone - this was pre smart phone era, so let's say the phone's value was Was a very depressing case tbh. One person at risk of death and another at risk of a long pr…

Indeed. Maybe the part that's most depressing to me is that the long prison sentence clearly isn't enough of a disincentive against robbing another working-class person. How fucked up and bleak would your world have to be in order to do such a thing?

That long sentences weren't much of a deterrent was already common knowledge when I was in high school in NYC some 40-odd years ago.

The biggest deterrent was just getting caught in the first place.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by ryandrake »

joncrane wrote: post #147

The most disappointing thing about this article is the absolute apathy from the NYPD. At this point the police writ large are practically sabotaging their reputation with absolutely no self awareness whatsoever. What are we going to do as a society as it becomes increasingly obvious to every citizen that the police, in fact are not here to protect, NOR to serve?

It's been known since 2005 [1] (with precedent back to the 1980's) that the police have no Constitutional duty to protect citizens from harm, even from a specific, credible, and immediate threat. They could basically do nothing, and as long as their management chain is happy, no problem.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by aix1 »

pixel_tracing wrote: post #138
aix1 wrote: post #105

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That sounds like a pretty cool system.

Yes common sense sometimes comes across as cool too

Around here the standard protocol is to just leave packages with a neighbour (there's always someone at home) and leave a card telling where the package is.

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Post by bradlys »

Telemakhos wrote: post #99
jollybean wrote: post #84

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So a mailbox with a lock then? We should have had that in 1980. 5 'large mailboxes' for the apartment building, the postman sets the code, locks it, and leaves writes the code on a piece of paper and leaves it in your slot. This is not 'Silicon Valley' innovation.

I do have that in my apartment building. But, instead of a code, the lockboxes have keys that only the postman can remove from them. He locks a package in the box, removes the key, and puts it in the recipient's box. When the recipient checks his mail, he uses the key to open the lockbox and withdraw his package. The key is then stuck in the lockbox lock and cannot be withdrawn again except by the postman.

These also exist in sfh developments where mailboxes are grouped together. Usually part of larger planned communities/developments.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by [deleted] »

josephorjoe wrote: post #173
nerdponx wrote: post #121

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The victims themselves here are more or less part of the downtrodden caste. Some of them might not be living in the USA with legal authorization. They probably don't feel like the city is interested in protecting them, and it seems like in some cases they are already familiar with "protecting themselves" in organized groups. So with a lack of political interest in their case, banding together makes perfect sense.

Robbery of delivery workers has long been a problem in the city complicated by the fact that many of them don't trust/don't feel safe going to the police. My first time on jury duty in nyc the case was armed robbery of a delivery worker to steal his cell phone - this was pre smart phone era, so let's say the phone's value was Was a very depressing case tbh. One person at risk of death and another at risk of a long pr…

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Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by swman »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #98
bradleyjg wrote: post #60

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For a while there, NYC was very safe. Then de Blasio got elected. Hopefully, Eric Adams can turn around the disaster Bill is leaving him.

Crime is down under de Blasio. Virtually every category has continued decreasing since he took office in 2014: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm (That link only covers through 2019, but if you look at the official CompStat data the two year trend for 2019–2021 is also negative: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist... )

Is this like California making it okay to steal stuff up to a certain amount and then claiming theft is down? Lol

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

CalRobert wrote: post #182
tazjin wrote: post #51

It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...? This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Bruss…

It's an issue in Dublin, Ireland too. Deliveroo riders are attacked and police seem to disregard it as an issue. Then when the riders started making maps describing which areas were dangerous the pearl-clutchers described it as "classist". https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/deliveroo...

Ah yes, status-boosting Luxury Beliefs the consequences of which the weakest have to endure. A pattern that repeats itself since decades.
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