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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by mdoms »

Animats wrote: post #44

PeerTube does not have enough bandwidth to work. Try PeerTube. Here's a cat video. Posted 1 week ago, 38 views, duration 10 seconds. https://peertube.tv/w/tsvCimhEaLSTZD16B3gqBQ Even as the only watcher, and with gigabit Internet both ways at my end, it stuttered, then stalled completely. For short videos, you'd be better off putting them on a shared hosting site as .mp4 files. Peer to peer video hosting is just not…

Oh wow that is shockingly bad. The 10 second video buffered out 5 times while I tried watching. I am on a gigabit fiber connection.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by yellow_lead »

jrm4 wrote: post #189
judge2020 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

I absolutely fail to see how bittorrent et al can't solve this part?

Well you are commenting this on a thread about PeerTube, so

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by darylteo »

Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

My immediate thought is that it could offer an alternative tier of support to subscriptions / patreon - i.e. people who supply a specific amount of storage / bandwidth can be considered a premium tier "fan" and get perks... exclusive gifts, services, cough content cough, moderation rights, etc.

This could be an avenue for tech savvy sex workers who need an alternative to OnlyFans.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by grishka »

Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

PeerTube addresses this specific problem by employing WebTorrent so that when many people are watching a video at the same time they download from each other instead of everyone using up the server's available bandwidth.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Taywee »

criley2 wrote: post #115

The primary motivation of most creators is to make money. What is PeerTube paying per view? 0$? Why would any creator spend all that time and money making content to give away for free? Do you give away your daily work for free? They can easily use something like Patreon or one of the many pay-only tube sites if they're giving up on ads and asking for donations/subscriptions/etc. I mean, I'm not against the idea, it…

Personally, I do tons of things for free because I enjoy doing them. Nobody needs to pay me to play my piano, paint a painting, or run a D&D campaign, and all of that takes effort and skill. I remember the old days of YouTube when most people making videos were doing it for the joy of it, not profit. I understand that doesn't scale forever, but at the same time, there's a vast range of video creation that doesn't need to be profit-driven, or can easily be crowd funded.

I understand the point of big budget video creation, but that's not most creators, just like most companies aren't Google and shouldn't be trying to solve their problems that are a 1000th the size with Google-scale solutions.

Simply, there is a place for small budget videos. I'd even argue that the majority should be small budget, and that advertising and budget inflation have on average been more bad for YouTube than good.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by kragen »

vadfa wrote: post #129
Barrin92 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because people want to download illegal movies and porn, or host linux isos as a service for the commons. There's practically no commercial activity around torrents because it's an incredibly inefficient way to serve large amounts of data.

Blizzard used to distribute updates using bittorrent before the advent of CDNs.

To be totally fair, Akamai predates BitTorrent.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Razengan »

nsonha wrote: post #78
Razengan wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> world's largest attention harvesting operation. I don’t think Facebook owns YouTube :)

Facebook is nothing comparing to Google, they have an OS and a browser remember?

But how does Google “harvest attention?”

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by lokedhs »

FalconSensei wrote: post #28
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Mastodon instances have it a single click away from the sign-up page. (But yes, I agree. Mastodon isn't great, even though it's popular.)

For many people 1 click (or even an entire screen scroll-down) is too much. If PeerTube is supposed to be an YouTube alternative, you need to see videos and a search right away. I know it's not an instance and blah-blah-blah, but those are technical details that (possible) users don't give a single F.

People shouldn't "go to peertube" to watch videos. If they have that impression, then there is a problem of communication rather than implementation.

I host a peertube instance that currently mostly contains my own videos. If I want someone to watch it, I link to the channel or the video in question. I don't say "watch me on peertube". The fact that peertube is the software that runs the service is not something a regular user should care about.

Peertube is federated using the same protocol as Mastodon, but federation isn't completely open by default. I guess this is for the better, because there is a lot of content you wouldn't want on your own instance's main feed (most instance hosts don't want porn in the middle of a feed of mostly tech videos).

Also, the UI of peertube isn't that great when it comes to following channels on other instances. If federation breaks (which it usually does) you get a nondescript error saying that something failed.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by tommek4077 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

You are too used to paying for volume. Most classic server providers give you a fixed bandwidth without additional traffic costs.
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