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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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How many revolutions has France had in contemporary times?

They had a military coup in 1958.

TIL, however I don’t think that’s important in the context of the effectiveness of armed civilians being able to have much influence.

If anything, rumours to the effect that Republican senators/representatives are only still publicly supporting Trump because they fear armed Trump supporters, could (iff true) be a relevant example.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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If it ain’t censorship, I don’t know but this went from front page to page 3 in 5 minutes or less. This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN. Either it was unpopular with the crowd, or the mods. Either way, though, f** manipulated discourse and whoever is instrumentally responsible.

HN is a community-driven news aggregator, where the community decides what stuff they want to see on the front page. "I want this on the front page" is done using upvotes, while "I don't want this on the front page" is done using flags - which are weighted more heavily than upvotes.

Also, as others have said, the HN algorithm penalizes things with more comments than upvotes.

Finally, the mods (dang and...one other) tend to take a very light touch with respect to moderation.

You can decide that you don't like the community (personally, I think that HN started its Eternal September 5-ish years ago), but I don't think that this counts as "manipulated discourse".

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Excellent. There's no reason defensive gun buyers should be demographically different from the general population. It's understandable that gun sales for hunting or other activities might show differences, but we all have the same personal security needs. Side note: I'm one of the people here with a large collection of firearms. One thing to realize when you see the statistic that the US has more firearms than people…

Your standard of combat is obscenely high. Any weapon that can kill an animal can be used quite well against humans in defense. Would they be standard issue arms for a modern army? Irrelevant.

Some old collectables are not safely operable against any target. Some simply aren't operable. Even if they're not worn out from use or disrepair, the chemistry of ammunition has changed over the years and it may not be safe to use with modern ammunition. For others, commercially made ammunition might not be available at all.

Yes, people have been killed by old antique guns. But most of them in this category them are rotting away in attics or forgotten in safes. They're certainly not what is predominantly being used in street crime.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

#194

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

I have trouble understanding how guns would defend an American's freedom. See, it's as if the US military trains soldiers how to hide in the Appalachian, raid local villages, and steal food and ammunition from trucks, because if a non-specified enemy conquers the US and its troops are marching down the streets from Sacramento to Boston you need these skills to hide and keep fighting. Except that, if you're at this st…

> Except that, if you're at this stage, you have failed. The whole freaking point of having a military is to not let it happen. So the US military instead trains its soldiers to fly bombers and read satellite photos, because these are the skills that make you win wars before it runs you over.

Eh, not so much. I believe the term is "defense in depth." There's also the saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket."

If recent history has taught us anything, it's that a territory with a hostile armed population is extremely difficult for even the most advanced army in the world to hold. The US (or the Soviets) would have won in Afghanistan if all the Taliban was able to do was stage protest marches and write angry letters.

Also, you have to understand that there are many different scenarios to consider. For instance: someday, the enemy may be the US military itself.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

> Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. Didn't a couple of unarmed protestors take the capitol building on January 6th?

1. Many of them were armed 2. That was because the Trump administration refused to send in the national guard for several hours after the terrorist attack on January 6th.

If the government does not stand up to terrorists attacking the US Capitol, then yes, they can take the building quite easily.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

Living in Romania, the thing I miss mostly when hiking in the mountains is a long rifle. This is for self defence against huge populations of bears and boars, not for anything else. Guns in the country side are also tools, not just weapons. Homicide rate is low in Romania because we don't have violent criminal gangs, almost at all. It is a small country with different policing system. But there are plenty of guns in…

>we don't have violent criminal gangs, almost at all.

On the contrary, we have plenty of violent crime clans (mostly gypsy), they just don't use firearms but have no issue threatening you and your family or beating you into submission with melee weapons or bare hands/feet if you stand in the way of their (mostly) illegal activities while the local police, even when they're not on their payroll, are toothless thanks to the poorly defined laws and they can't, or simply can't be bothered to take much action against them unless they commit some extremely violent acts that get lots of media coverage for which higher levels of government are called for accountability.

My $0.02

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

#198

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Really? Show us the link for yesterday’s occurrence.

This took me 15 seconds to find, here's a 2-year old and a 4-year old shot yesterday because of a gun lying around at home. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/marietta-man-arrested-after...

That happened on Monday. Today is Thursday. Also, it wasn’t a “murder” (I’ll take a killing, but the victim did not die.)

EDIT: I can’t help be curious about what’s in the mind of someone who is so blatantly dishonest. Right at the top it says “Published 2 days ago”, and in the second paragraph it says “Monday”. Is the idea that you assume no one will actually take a look at the link?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

#199

Everyone should own a gun, and most more than 1. If we were to maintain public education (which... just no, please) gun education should be standard.

I'd rather reduce my chances of being shot, which is a thing you can do by simply declining to purchase a firearm[1] > Overall, Branas’s study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher. [1] h…

While the study did control for factors like socioeconomic status, race, and job, I think it's inherently difficult to control for the idea that somebody is much more likely to carry a gun when they perceive their risk of being attacked as higher. For example, if they frequently interact with dangerous people in their personal lives.

I would not be surprised to learn that, say, people who get restraining orders against their exes are more likely to be murdered by their exes than people who don't. Does that mean that getting a restraining order is dangerous? Or does it mean that people in dangerous situations tend to get restraining orders?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Living in Romania, the thing I miss mostly when hiking in the mountains is a long rifle. This is for self defence against huge populations of bears and boars, not for anything else. Guns in the country side are also tools, not just weapons. Homicide rate is low in Romania because we don't have violent criminal gangs, almost at all. It is a small country with different policing system. But there are plenty of guns in…

>we don't have violent criminal gangs, almost at all. On the contrary, we have plenty of violent crime clans (mostly gypsy), they just don't use firearms but have no issue threatening you and your family or beating you into submission with melee weapons or bare hands/feet if you stand in the way of their (mostly) illegal activities while the local police, even when they're not on their payroll, are toothless thanks t…

They are not so violent compared with US gangs.
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