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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#191

Post by betwixthewires »

Lemmy development is coming along great, but there are some things I think don't make a lot of sense on a federated network.

1) at the very least there should be an option to run it as a single community, not multiple communities. Federation means you can have multiple communities, each on their own server, the whole user created multi community paradigm makes sense on centralized services like reddit. Added bonus, you remove site administration and have only moderation, removing bureaucratic layers is good.

2) subscriptions on federated services should ideally be handled client side. If I want to subscribe to a community feed, needing to log in doesn't make sense when a community I follow might not be on my home server. I should only need authentication to interact.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#192

Post by betwixthewires »

Apocalypsenear wrote: post #109
radicalriddler wrote: post #75

I would define myself as pretty progressive, but Reddit's been absolutely dog** due to all the anti-capitalist, populist rhetoric. Every post seems to be filled with comments these days of "eat the rich". Like, you'll have a gif of a dude petting a dog, and then in the comments, they'll be like, "Bro, you're financially oppressing this dog and that's why it's forced to be pet by you" (Hyperbole, but I've seen some cr…

Which is why Lemmy needs more users to promote diversity and mainstream usage. Right now its filled with leftists mostly because they get banned from sites like reddit. The thing I enjoy about Lemmy is that you can join an instance and if you don't agree with the policies and the people there you can join a different instance.

It is not populated by leftists because they get banned elsewhere, it is populated by leftists because the developers (who are also the admins of the earliest, biggest instances) are loud and proud self avowed Marxists.

Which is fine, write code, live by your beliefs, but enforcing them in software on other people who might implement it is what I have a problem with.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#193

Post by uabstraction »

zepto wrote: post #183
ddingus wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secondly, it does not have to be leftists vs capitalists. There are parts of society well served by markets and other parts that really aren't. Same goes for applying socialist ideas to problems. Recognizing just that fact is a basis for conversation that can lead somewhere meaningful for all involved.

How do you get leftists to have a conversation on that basis?

If you want leftists to engage with you in good faith, you simply need to ask the right questions. Questions that demonstrate a baseline of familiarity with the history and theory being interrogated.

The Left isn't averse to debate. The Left is averse to repeating the same tired arguments about iPhones and authority and "human nature" until the heat death of the universe. Things that have been addressed in great detail for over a century.

There is actually a lively debate taking place. It just typically doesn't take the form of Zizek vs. Peterson SuperBowl style spectacles. It takes place in literature, and in meetings among organizers trying to actually accomplish their goals. People like that don't give a flying fuck what John Stossel or Ben Shapiro have to say. This mainstream "debate culture" is so far detached from the actual struggles taking place.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#194

Post by betwixthewires »

DoctorOW wrote: post #152
account42 wrote: post #121

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https://github.com/innereq/lenny#the-lemmy-problem Having more users isn't going to help if the core developers are anti-diversity.

I was expecting your link to make some kind of point to substantiate your "anti-diversity" claim. This just shows they don't allow slurs on the platform.

Not "on the platform." In the software. Lemmy is not a website.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#195

Post by Krasnol »

Saptarishi wrote: post #88
dfdub10 wrote: post #55

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Why is it that people keep saying ignorant racist trash and then cry about cancel culture and how it’s all the media’s fault. The fact you think people along you out for being disrespectful is everyone but your own fault. And quit blaming the media, if they are such a problem stop watching. Or continue to spend your days watching the elitist con men on your favorite channel and praise an opinion host like a god. You’…

The problem arises when people dont actually say "ignorant racist trash" but have a genuine point of discussion(albeit controversial), but are painted with the same brush as real racists and bigots. Resorting to subversive vulgarity is not a good idea.

When was that the problem?

I haven't seen it being a problem anywhere and especially not in the prominent cases of the last years.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#196

Post by ddingus »

zepto wrote: post #183
ddingus wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secondly, it does not have to be leftists vs capitalists. There are parts of society well served by markets and other parts that really aren't. Same goes for applying socialist ideas to problems. Recognizing just that fact is a basis for conversation that can lead somewhere meaningful for all involved.

How do you get leftists to have a conversation on that basis?

For what it's worth, the same query applies left, right, whatever.

I like to lead with how is it all for you and how did you arrive where you are politically?

Common struggles, life stories, other things help start a conversation.

Then it's give and take.

The idea of any side, particular ideology being right, best fit, one size fits all is crazy! That isn't reality.

Talk about it from there.

Many would agree money in politics is bad, for example. I sure do. Another interesting chat is the for profit motive.

Compare and contrast public utilities. The one where I live is straight up government, runs at cost plus. A few miles down the road it's private. Runs at cost plus margin, plus...

All other variables are the same, and what's the impact?

Power is very reliable where I live. It's not so much down the road. Why?

There are many things to discuss like this and get a sense of where the ideologies apply well and where they don't, and after a time, people begin to realize "their team" is playing them for profit due to corruption.

And they are! Make no mistake!

Gets better from there.

I am having these every chance I get. Every time I get someone out of the ideology as means to better ends trap, that's someone who will consider policy, features, benefits, costs, risks and that's all we can ask for, and all we need.

It's also someone willing to talk about money in politics, legal corruption here and what that all really means in terms of ordinary people getting reputable, meaningful representation.

All of that is a foundation for action later on when this stuff bubbles up into something we can actually act on.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#197

Post by s5300 »

darthrupert wrote: post #143
s5300 wrote: post #11

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Hmm... disturbing? The United States leftism leans heavily to the contemporary idea of all other developed western nations rightism... so are we to be seen as a bit disturbing by the rest of our nation peers? (hint, they mostly seem to :D )

I'm an european center/leftist and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Im saying that the current state of our (US) moderate left is effectively most other places moderate right.

Our far left is most other places moderate left. Do you not see this to be true?

Our far right is just full blown fascist/Christofacist now. We have $10,000 bounties on the heads of those assisting in seeking medical care in one of our largest states now.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#198

Post by uabstraction »

HexbearShill wrote: post #181
hanselot wrote: post #80

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> https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 Wow, this was a fantastic thread. It very clearly and logically lays out how to kill software by injecting your ideology into it. RIP dessalines

All software is political. The act of releasing your work for free into the public domain is political. Disagree with his ideology, but anyone who thinks they are above ideology is just unaware of the assumptions they’re operating under.

Ideology is when you disagree with the status quo, and the more you disagree with the status quo, the more ideological you are. And when you disagree with the status quo a whole lot, that's dogma.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#199

Post by throwawaysea »

stevenicr wrote: post #175
throwawaysea wrote: post #97

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Yes it’s like that. Mastodon has the same thing going on, where the main index from their official site and the biggest instances won’t peer with you (let your users and theirs interact in each other’s instances) unless you implement their rules and moderation requirements in your instance. For mastodon what that means is that instances that aren’t progressive/far left aren’t welcome and are essentially not viable be…

What does this look like to the average user? I'm imagining - finding a topic or person or something that you want to follow, and then, your 'instance' / host pops up with "the thing you are trying to get data from is banned from this host". Seems like an excellent opportunity to upsell someone to starting their own host / own rules system.. Star your own droplet for $10 a month maybe?

Mastodon provides you with a 'federated timeline'. Basically your feed is a list of all posts the instance your account is on knows about, based on what the instance owners have configured. So you see all the posts directly from users in your instance, made on your instance, and also posts from other users in your subset of the fediverse, determined by what other instances your instance peers with. You can interact with users from other instances by referencing their handle and instance. So instead of @bob it would be more like @bob@xyz where xyz is the instance. You can follow a user from a different instance. Oddly, even though you can filter your federated timeline to your local instance, you cannot filter it to any other specific instance - for that you would need to create an account on that instance and view its local timeline. So basically it gives you a broader audience and user community than just your specific instance.

Some useful links that explain it further:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/7/15183128/mastodon-open-sou...

https://kevq.uk/how-does-mastodon-work/

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/network/

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

#200

Post by smt88 »

zepto wrote: post #186
smt88 wrote: post #26

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> The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. This is utter nonsense and fear-mongering. There is no organized movement promoting changing genitals of 3-year-olds.

Not 3 year olds perhaps, but there is definitely an organized movement to promote early gender affirmation surgery.

No, there isn't. Think about what you're saying. Why would anyone want to promote a particular surgery?

The movement is for individual freedom and for the government to stay out of people's medical decisions.

Will it increase the number of those surgeries for adults if the government stops discouraging them? Maybe, maybe not. The point is that there is no "public interest" in what genitalia someone needs to have according to (again) their doctors.

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