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Ban advertising, which is paid lying, and then the trust problems that result from everyone being paid to lie and exclusively being paid to lie will go away.
The problem will get worse if you ban advertising. The money that went to advertising will just shift to “influencers”, which is even less authentic.
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Here is the article I believe the parent is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black... I think it was rather nuanced. Several reasons given: 1) The capitalization of Black has already been accepted by the mainstream - NYT is catching up with the times 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. 3) African-American is cap…
> 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. What is the definition of "shared heritage" such that everyone but Whites have shared heritage?
1. Black Americans were taken away from their native specific cultures, whether it be Bantu, Hutu, Berber, etc, and unable to propagate the specifics of their cultures within communities. After emancipation, the only extant culture available was "Black".
2. White Americans generally settled into self-segregating Italian, Irish, German, etc communities or regions, and the original idiosyncrasies of these cultures persisted beyond relocation.
This makes a lot of sense, and I think up until the mid-late 20th century, this was fair, but I do think that sense is losing its strength as American society becomes increasingly atomized.
In 2021, it's equally valid to say that "Detroit Blacks" and "Memphis Blacks" have their own (sure, nascent, but real) disparate cultures, at the same time that it's valid to say that American "Swedish Whites" and "Italian Whites" are far more culturally similar than they were a couple generations ago.
I don't know, we'll see where history leads us, I guess. But the change is definitely visible.
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The problem will get worse if you ban advertising. The money that went to advertising will just shift to “influencers”, which is even less authentic.
What are you talking about? Influencers are advertising, and are likewise banned.
I can sponsor an open source project whose work I like. Likewise I can (and have) sponsored musicians.
Why couldn’t a corporation sponsor someone who for example makes youtube videos about fashion, or a tech blogger for that matter?
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> 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. What is the definition of "shared heritage" such that everyone but Whites have shared heritage?
My understanding is that: 1. Black Americans were taken away from their native specific cultures, whether it be Bantu, Hutu, Berber, etc, and unable to propagate the specifics of their cultures within communities. After emancipation, the only extant culture available was "Black". 2. White Americans generally settled into self-segregating Italian, Irish, German, etc communities or regions, and the original idiosyncras…
Ok, but if this is true [1], and it’s also necessarily true by your previous claims that Whites have different culture than Blacks in general, then why not capitalize White, since it is a name for a culture.
[1] given that Jews are usually considered ‘white’, and many Jews in fact do have distinct cultures - e.g. Brooklyn Jews, it’s hard to argue this.
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Here is the article I believe the parent is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black... I think it was rather nuanced. Several reasons given: 1) The capitalization of Black has already been accepted by the mainstream - NYT is catching up with the times 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. 3) African-American is cap…
The problem isn’t the capitalization of Black, which as you point out has good reason behind it - it is being used as a proper name for a group. The problem is that White is being used the same way and yet isn’t being capitalized.
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My understanding is that: 1. Black Americans were taken away from their native specific cultures, whether it be Bantu, Hutu, Berber, etc, and unable to propagate the specifics of their cultures within communities. After emancipation, the only extant culture available was "Black". 2. White Americans generally settled into self-segregating Italian, Irish, German, etc communities or regions, and the original idiosyncras…
> it's valid to say that American "Swedish Whites" and "Italian Whites" are far more culturally similar than they were a couple generations ago. Ok, but if this is true [1], and it’s also necessarily true by your previous claims that Whites have different culture than Blacks in general, then why not capitalize White, since it is a name for a culture. [1] given that Jews are usually considered ‘white’, and many Jews i…
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> it's valid to say that American "Swedish Whites" and "Italian Whites" are far more culturally similar than they were a couple generations ago. Ok, but if this is true [1], and it’s also necessarily true by your previous claims that Whites have different culture than Blacks in general, then why not capitalize White, since it is a name for a culture. [1] given that Jews are usually considered ‘white’, and many Jews i…
“Jews” is too broad a term. Ashkenazim are generally considered white, for instance, but not Sephardim and Mizrahim.
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I absolutely cannot fathom what would lead somebody into paying to listen to what Steven Crowder and Glenn Greenwald want to spew at them. The rest, I've never heard of so I can't comment. I hope you manage to find whatever peace it is you're looking for in life.
So you clearly do not know anything about the vast majority of the people in my list and yet you make such sassy comments? If you knew the people, you would know that it consists of people from all across the spectrum from left to right. Greenwald is also one of the best journalists of the modern times - from Snowden and Assange disclosures for last years’ Brazilian politics where his reporting freed the former prime…
If you "knew the people", you would know that about him, it's not particularly something he attempted to hide, which is why I make my comment of not being able to understand why you're paying for him. Why would you pay for somebody's outright lies?
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So you clearly do not know anything about the vast majority of the people in my list and yet you make such sassy comments? If you knew the people, you would know that it consists of people from all across the spectrum from left to right. Greenwald is also one of the best journalists of the modern times - from Snowden and Assange disclosures for last years’ Brazilian politics where his reporting freed the former prime…
Yeah, Greenwald has done some great things in his career, and then in the span of 3 or so years, something tripped in his brain that made him go batshit crazy and sell out the entirety of his soul and career. If you "knew the people", you would know that about him, it's not particularly something he attempted to hide, which is why I make my comment of not being able to understand why you're paying for him. Why would…
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Trust can't really be gained as easily as it is lost, at this point I am skeptical there is a real (nice) solution available and the only path is for these institutions to continue to further dig themselves into their hole until there is no trust left to erode. We have to remember that the media is like this because this is apparently what people want to consume. The old, traditional way is not one that will keep the…
It's also that the internet broke the local monopolies of the newspapers. It used to be that the newspapers could say to the politicians "if you want to reach the voters in our city, you have to answer questions from our journalists." But now it's more like the politicians can say "unless you put out the coverage we want, you have to provide the coverage we want. Otherwise we will not talk to your organization and pe…
Seriously, the 4th branch was ultimately funded by ads in the local paper. That shifted faster then they could keep up and the rug got pulled out from under them. And it has flipped politics on its head. It was never stable in the first place.