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Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by ssklash »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #66
ssklash wrote: post #12

It is insane to me that someone can get up to 5 years or more for using one of the fundamental mechanisms of digital technology. If you put out a product on a medium whose design is fundamentally based on copying bits , I don't know how you can expect anything else to happen. Instead of accepting the reality of digital communications, the MPAA, RIAA, and the like lobby to have the law protect their outdated but favor…

“ Doubleday doesn't own the pages of the books they sell me.” But if you copy them you can still be taken to court and/or imprisoned, just like copying a disc.

Yes, but the analogy here is making it illegal to give or donate the book once you'd already bought it. There is no other way to transmit electronic data other than copy it. You can't even access it without copying it, under normal circumstances. This is my issue.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by aasasd »

burnished wrote: post #190
aasasd wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, it doesn't follow in any way from my comment that I'm ‘advocating for’ that argument. You just extrapolated somehow onto the stock set of anti-copyright arguments and decided that I'm opposed to one of them. Actually, I'm sorta happy that such kinds of blatant strawmanning and anti-copyright crowd being generally pretty obnoxious led to me thinking these things over for myself, instead of just accepting…

Oh! I'm sorry for offending you. We started with such sarcasm that I didn't think you'd feel the prick.

Sarcasm I don't mind—gotta eat my own food, obviously. However, shifting the discussion is a different matter, while I was replying to one specific claim. On top of that, the arguments about material harm, that you've mentioned, are utterly worn-out go-to points of the anti-copyright folks. I do have my opinion on whether they make much sense and are worth repeating in each discussion on piracy, but that's another topic.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by burnished »

aasasd wrote: post #192
burnished wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh! I'm sorry for offending you. We started with such sarcasm that I didn't think you'd feel the prick.

Sarcasm I don't mind—gotta eat my own food, obviously. However, shifting the discussion is a different matter, while I was replying to one specific claim. On top of that, the arguments about material harm, that you've mentioned, are utterly worn-out go-to points of the anti-copyright folks. I do have my opinion on whether they make much sense and are worth repeating in each discussion on piracy, but that's another to…

I see. I'm not usually involved in conversations on this topic so I'm not really aware of whats considered an argument that is no longer valid from over-use.

I don't think it was shifting the discussion either. You made a sort of sarcastic remark about getting stabbed, I brought the focus back on going to jail over the topic at hand.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by yamrzou »

> On August 26, 2020, in coordination with law enforcement authorities in 17 countries and supported by Eurojust and Europol, dozens of servers controlled by the Sparks Group were taken offline around the world, including in North America, Europe, and Asia. The Sparks Group utilized these servers to store and disseminate copyrighted content illegally to members around the globe

It's impressive that 17 countries can can coordinate and take such action.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by rebelos »

prepend wrote: post #188
rebelos wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please feel free to read the next sentence.

Your next sentence is as baseless and incorrect as the one I quoted. I’ve been hearing this chicken little shit for 30 years and every year piracy is so bad that the end is near. I think it’s more likely that piracy drives and improved digital sales. That’s just my hunch, but it’s based on my experience of everything going digital, companies making more money on it than ever, and piracy greater than ever. Philosophic…

If you think there's no level of piracy as a fraction of total consumption that would destroy the economics of content production, then I'm afraid you're too unreasonable a person for me to engage with successfully.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by johnchristopher »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #162
burnished wrote: post #142

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Yes! If you go out and get stabbed by a falling branch you've got no recourse. Of course, the argument you seem to be advocating for hinges on showing how a copy represents material harm. The usual argument is it represents a lost sale. Still not sure how you get sent to jail over that though, maybe the argument itself doesn't have much weight but the people invoking it can push their weight around.

The usual argument has been shown false by many studies: piracy, in fact, spreads awareness of cultural products and thus creates sales that would otherwise never have happened. It is essentially free advertising.

While I am inclined to believe piracy spreads awareness of mass produced entertainment my personal anecdotes lead me to believe it's not about spreading awareness of any cultural products. Less well-known or minor but of great interests movies, books and music are more often than not almost impossible to obtain.

Seeders are not interested in few clicks. They pirate the Marvel Cinematic Universe because it brings in cliks. Follow the money of all the ads on these torrent sistes spreading awareness of culture.

In a sense they are not liberating anyone, they are trapping us in a smaller bubble.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by eurasiantiger »

johnchristopher wrote: post #196
eurasiantiger wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usual argument has been shown false by many studies: piracy, in fact, spreads awareness of cultural products and thus creates sales that would otherwise never have happened. It is essentially free advertising.

While I am inclined to believe piracy spreads awareness of mass produced entertainment my personal anecdotes lead me to believe it's not about spreading awareness of any cultural products. Less well-known or minor but of great interests movies, books and music are more often than not almost impossible to obtain. Seeders are not interested in few clicks. They pirate the Marvel Cinematic Universe because it brings in c…

You intentionally conflate seeders with torrent sites. These are not the same people. Seeders do not get money from torrent sites. Torrent sites do not host content, they do not engage in piracy any more than a phonebook engages in doxxing. They run ads simply to cover hosting the site itself.

If someone is trapping us in a bubble, it is the streaming sites who limit content access by geographical location.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by johnchristopher »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #197
johnchristopher wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am inclined to believe piracy spreads awareness of mass produced entertainment my personal anecdotes lead me to believe it's not about spreading awareness of any cultural products. Less well-known or minor but of great interests movies, books and music are more often than not almost impossible to obtain. Seeders are not interested in few clicks. They pirate the Marvel Cinematic Universe because it brings in c…

You intentionally conflate seeders with torrent sites. These are not the same people. Seeders do not get money from torrent sites. Torrent sites do not host content, they do not engage in piracy any more than a phonebook engages in doxxing. They run ads simply to cover hosting the site itself. If someone is trapping us in a bubble, it is the streaming sites who limit content access by geographical location.

You deliberately ignore my main point that piracy massively promotes mass media.

I don't see Star Wars or Game of Thrones in need of any free advertising given by piracy, that's a weird argument to make.

Frankly, I am just moving on from this topic on HN. Piracy good, netflix bad, got it.

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