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Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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'Master' is not counterpart to 'slave', it is counterpart to 'inferior'. 'Master' is "greater" (ex ' magis '), vs "lesser". The most resounding example is fitting: «Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas». It is an ___extreme___ problem if somebody now thought [I change the tense out of refusal] that the term 'master' should not be used, especially if the perverse excuse were that someone used it in a way that makes s…

You are right, and I agree. However, languages live and the people of the USA are an important determinant of where the English language is headed. They have a particular history involving this word, and that history has not been fully reckoned with. It makes sense that the same word, although in other contexts with a slightly different meaning, would be redefined or removed this way, in order to deal with that histo…

I am not sure if I will be able to convey the point as well as I wish, but:

don't you think this way the enemy wins a battle?

Terrorists attempt bending politics through terrorizing: if one is terrorized, is that one not playing their game?

We greet in some sensible way, say, and somebody comes and promotes the greeting as now meaning "short people should stick to accounting": that somebody should not be nobilitated and their """cultural proposal""" accepted as norm: it should be discarded as noise. If the greeting were affected and linked to some unworthy agenda, that would mean empowering said agenda: it should have been impotent, but with your attention, and attributing it legitimacy in the creation of constraints, you made it powerful.

«Languages live», but uprooted they go astray. A rubberband, like that vetting attitude you (yes really you) have been trained to develop, should always there to check validity, vis-a-vis what terms mean, coremost to how they are used. One is supposed not to forget that core.

"Congratulations for having defaced our public square by defecating in the middle: you now get the privilege to do similarly with our sacred vocabulary".

So should not we speak language, as an attempt, instead of «USA [determined] English language» or «natural language»?

And more to the point, should not we avoid acting as resonance chambers amplifying deeds? Some culturally inferior party is not supposed to bend culture with the "strength of inferiority" - that is absurd. It is not a "de facto" bending, it is the "de facto" response to it that gives it power.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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I sometimes wonder how much there could be done for people in need of an actual form of help if all that energy to change unrelated words because someone is triggered by them went into a more useful endeavor. And beyond that, maybe it is because I am not a native speaker, but isn’t “primary” less clear than “master” in this context? `Master` suggest control/mastery over something, but `primary` rather focuses on impo…

It is amusing we glorify words like Pirate and Ninja. Yet other words become vilified so we ban them.

> It is amusing we glorify words like Pirate

Pirates were referred to as the "enemy of all mankind":

* https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/545158/enemy-of-all...

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52783845-enemy-of-all-ma...

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #111

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It is amusing we glorify words like Pirate and Ninja. Yet other words become vilified so we ban them.

Which in this case is doubly ironic, because pirates and buccaneers were exactly the group that had kept the slave trade alive even after it was officially banned in many places, if my limited knowledge on the Atlantic slave trade is correct.

> Hostis humani generis (Latin for "enemy of mankind") is a legal term of art that originates in admiralty law. Before the adoption of public international law,[when?] pirates and slavers were already held to be beyond legal protection and so could be dealt with by any nation, even one that had not been directly attacked.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostis_humani_generis

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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An email client in this day and age does not receive the attention a web browser does, but Thunderbird has been a steady companion to me over many, many years. Thanks, dev team!

Can you disable 'j' for "move to junk", by now?

Worse than not using it for navigation is using hjkl for something else. I cannot not press j by accident. Years ago I had to stop using thunderbird for this.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #69

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Master/Slave nomenclature is considered "problematic language" (because it harks back to slavery), and thus often replaced with more PC language these days. My organization had a whole "fix this nomenclature throughout the whole codebase" week (things like "black-/whitelist, master/slave, ....)

'Master' is not counterpart to 'slave', it is counterpart to 'inferior'. 'Master' is "greater" (ex ' magis '), vs "lesser". The most resounding example is fitting: «Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas». It is an ___extreme___ problem if somebody now thought [I change the tense out of refusal] that the term 'master' should not be used, especially if the perverse excuse were that someone used it in a way that makes s…

> Following an old proverb, reportedly from or nobilitated by Cervantes, you are invited "not to mention the rope in the house of the hanged".

Cites:

* https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/978019953...

* https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/don...

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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The world often divides in two. Surely, relevantly, -- those who think that language is what median people use and that naive use has a right to be accepted and create rules, seeing language as a social matter, and -- those who think that language is what the learned have built out of competence and reflection, calling language an entity rightfully separate from societies. For both parties «language matters». But the…

The notion that language is "what the learned have built out of competence and reflection" is abjectly risible. The evolution of language consists of corruption, confusion, coinages of demotic provenance, and general chaos. The contributions of learned classicists to the modern language are subject to exactly the same inexorable flux. There is no party that refuses to accept "bastard" semantics; in no language does t…

False, if only because it is evident that naive and competent are evident opposites, practically. You can see the competent and the naive use, they cannot be mixed.

By the way: you have completely misunderstood 'is' in the quotation. It was not descriptive language, it was deontic.

And for what your «which would in your case constitute a marked improvement in the discourse»: this is the first time I find myself in front of the shallow disrespect that I expect elsewhere from YCombinator. Happily - look around -, with that attitude, you are the one isolated.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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post #4

CardDAV address book support Although it's sad that this will replace the plugins that provide this feature, it's good to see support built into the core and a continued investment in implementing standards.

Agreed. I rely heavily on the cardbook add-on for this and will be curious to see how the new built-in support compares.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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Updates are delayed to give add-on developers time to update their add-ons to be compatible with Thunderbird 91 if changes are necessary.

I won't hold my breath. I'm still waiting for a couple of my favourite plugins to be updated to support version 78.

Update to 78 is a bit different as it removed an entire API.

Re: Thunderbird 91.0

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while this might be true, the fact that there are master-slave analogies elsewhere makes other uses of master in CS suspect. if the analogy had been "master-apprentice" instead there probably wouldnt be as much pushback everywhere else. while this particular instance might be an over correction, i think the overall trend has been a move in the right direction

> if the analogy had been "master-apprentice" instead there probably wouldnt be as much pushback everywhere else Except, you know, apprentices eventually become masters themselves. And the space isn't zero-sum; "Master Verrochio taught Master Leonardo" is semantically valid. It doesn't illustrate the semantics of, say, data replication where there is only one master at a time and the slaves are not supposed to be pro…

Right, human slavery is genuinely horrific, but trying to shield our eyes from it doesn't seem like a good way to combat it.

I think the GP's rope analogy paints a pretty good picture. Should we stop using the word "rope"? Rope has been used in a horrific way in the past.

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