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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by nicolas_t »

Well this is the end of the road for me with 1password. I refuse to use anything that doesn't have a local vault. The potential damage if my vault is somehow is accessed is too high, if the vault is stored in the cloud, how can I verify that no one can access it? In that case I have to give access to this app with little snitch since it relies on internet access which means that if I received an update that would disable end to end encryption, I would be none the wiser.

Granted, the chance of attack is small but the consequences are extreme. There's no single file more valuable on my computer than my password vault.

I prefered buying the license compared to the subscription but I don't particularly mind a subscription for a service I use regularly. I mind the risk to my privacy.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by monocularvision »

vishnugupta wrote: post #17

I know what 1Password is but haven't used it. Are there advantages of using it over Apple's built in keychain? Would appreciate if someone who has used/uses 1Password could comment on this.

For me the most important features are 1. Family support and 2. Cross platform (see #1… we have some Windows machines in the family)

If it were just me, the iCloud stuff would probably be enough.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by monocularvision »

smnrchrds wrote: post #32
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #8

This makes sense to me. Lots of other products have head in the same direction over time (e.g. YNAB) for similar reasons. SaaS is familiar to consumers and ultimately a nicer business model for most products. If you support SaaS for new customers, maintaining the old product / pricing model indefinitely eventually stops making sense. At some point you have to make a move like this. It is probably particularly timely…

I will run the installed version of YNAB as long as it runs on my computer, and after that I'll probably run in in a virtual machine until the end of time. I am not comfortable with my financial information being on the cloud in the hands of a third party, much less so when it is not the likes of Google and Apple with armies of security engineers and can be hacked much more easily.

I held off on the new YNAB for a very long time before switching about a year and a half ago. I absolutely love the new version and the syncing works so much better than before. And the new iOS client is loads better.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#195

Post by trimbo »

maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount was less than minimum wage, if I took the time to implement those features for them and release the software.)

I recently visited my friend from our programming club who saved these letters and was reminded a couple people wrote additional angry letters years after paying for the shareware. They demanded support in return for their one payment. (Of course, not only had I moved on to other projects, but I had long sold the type of computer the shareware was created for!)

So I learned early on that people unreasonably expect support for no additional cost. Or they believe the amount they paid is for support in the future, not work done in the past. It doesn't work that way economically. A constant flow of additional money has to come in the door to pay a team to do the actual support.

AFAICT, the only feasible models for supported software seem to be subscription, microtransaction or advertising. Any one-time-up-front price means it's abandonware. Which is fine for some types of software, of course, but probably not as often as users expect support.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dharmab »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #181
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.

And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish. But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.

As a Vim user I will happily admit that Sublime is significantly faster in some key areas of daily use.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by afarrell »

trimbo wrote: post #195
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount…

One could argue that their support team has handled this change unskilfully and that Agilebits should have hired a larger and more skilled support team before having a way to pay that team.

One could argue that.... but one would be silly to do so.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ddingus »

leetcrew wrote: post #96
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

For this use case, a subscription makes a lot of sense. I have no complaints, though I currently do not subscribe to this application. I would, if I felt the need.

My take on the hatred boils down to these things:

Utility type applications built as a service offer an inexpensive purchase of some kind, or are AD driven, etc... Then, features are changed, roadblocks added, user experience degraded to create problems that subscriptions pay to remedy, often poorly.

Noisy subscriptions. It's not enough to send a few bucks a month. ADS, various pitches, in app sales happening, all contribute to what might otherwise be a simple, worthy experience and solution.

It can be hard to cancel. -->if this happens to someone even once, the hate can be visceral afterword. Everyone else, no matter how well they do business is impacted to a degree.

Subscription apps / services going away on short notice. What were people paying for?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#199

Post by mberning »

Done with them. I have been holding out on 1Password 6 for years. The fact that you can’t get the safari extension without going to 7 has had me considering moving for a while. Now it is without a doubt that I will be migrating to bit warden or something similar. Another great product ruined.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Domenic_S »

leetcrew wrote: post #96
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

> I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription.

I don't _want_ the ongoing development. Photoshop from 5 years ago is perfectly fine for me. Same with Lightroom, etc. I mean, I've only paid Apple _once_ for Logic Pro and have been getting upgrade after upgrade for no cost -- a nice bonus, but I'd be perfectly happy if logic's code had been set in stone at the moment of purchase, too.

The consumer-friendly option is to let the consumer decide if they want upgrades. Or for a security-focused app like 1password I'd have believed something like "we don't want to be responsible for security problems if you decide not to upgrade, thus you must buy a yearly license" but that wasn't the message at all.

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