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Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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> With estimated leverage of 383-to-1, Tether would be unable to honour all its tokens after losses of just 0.26%—a safety cushion that regulators would never allow at a bank.

This statement from the Economist is basically a lie. It's like saying people trade Forex leveraged so your cash in hand is leveraged. Tether is leveraged by 3rd parties. Tether is redeemable 1to1

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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In my opinion, regulators have a too-big-to-fail problem here. Tether is known to be used for artificially inflating the crypto market in collusion with certain exchanges. There is a lot of documentation on this, the following two articles are a good start: https://theodoregreenbaum.medium.com/the-crypto-time-bomb-is... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-26/tether-ex... If news suddenly come out about Te…

What a depressing situation... having to protect a bunch of people on a get rich quick mission from themselves. Of course you can adapt that argument to people buying cheap food, clothes, housing, etc. A lot of people do these things because they are in situations where they have very real fears about their future safety and solvency, so it is not an argument against consumer protection by the state but an expression of frustration I guess.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#193

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What's the point of that? Using cryptocurrencies frees you from the possibility of your funds being frozen or seized or even detected/associated with you. GBPCoin would be no different from using GBP on a bank account.

Using cryptocurrencies prevents your funds being frozen or seized until a couple of masked men come around and beat it out of you with a $5 wrench. Eventually, somewhere, you have to spend money or take delivery of goods or services rendered. I don't think you can buttress that.

This is the same way with any kind of control the state has, it is ultimately based in violence.as you say, the jurisdiction you wanna live in and use your funds in, can pretty easily abduct you for defying a court order on those funds.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#194
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Intellectuals should stop advocating that people be treated like children. PayPal and other e-wallets are not required to have bank charters to issue dollar-backed digital currency, and neither should stablecoins. In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, a well-capitalized player, Walmart, which was expanding its banking activity via its Sam's Club lending, was well positioned to replace the incumbent Wall Street fi…

> PayPal and other e-wallets are not required to have bank charters to issue dollar-backed digital currency, and neither should stablecoins. Paypal actually has a bunch of state licenses. [0] Twenty-three of those are with a banking commissioner or department. [0] https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/licenses

Like the other poster said, this is all about transmitting money, which is very different than keeping it, reinvesting it, and handing you a certificate/credit for it.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#195

No cryptocurrency currently passes the test as a currency in terms of acceptance, transaction speed and stability. So if it's classed rather as a store of value (read investment) then I don't see the difference between it and other investment classes which you need to be a sophisticated investor to access. Noobs typically need protecting from themselves.

Other than acceptance, that's a rather bold blanket statement. Visa and Mastercard handle roughly 7000 transactions per second. Solana's chain (as an example) is among the highest performing and can handle north of 50k TPS. Edit: Please challenge my position and make me think. Votes are pointless, but being proven wrong is a learning experience.

Visa and Mastercard aren't currencies, they are payment systems. Furthermore, max TPS and day to day average utilized TPS are very different, that is a weird comparison. The confusion is that USD can change "hands" in so many different ways, it does not have a set transaction latency or bandwidth, if we did a best case analysis the latency would be me handing a tenner to the guy at the grocery store, with the bandwidth of 3.5B people handing a tenner to the other 3.5, that is a lot better than 50K TPS. Obviously not a serious suggestion, just trying to explain why the question of speed needs to be nuanced.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#196

No cryptocurrency currently passes the test as a currency in terms of acceptance, transaction speed and stability. So if it's classed rather as a store of value (read investment) then I don't see the difference between it and other investment classes which you need to be a sophisticated investor to access. Noobs typically need protecting from themselves.

More importantly, our financial system needs protection from runs, and it seems like tether has not been doing a good job of handling that, they should at least be regulated like banks in terms of cash on hand requirements and the necessary auditability to verify that regularly.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#197

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It's a little unclear, because (like many things in public policy) there's several putative explanations for what caused the crises, peoples' preconceived notions color which ones they favor, and it's manifestly unclear who is right. And it should be remembered that "everyone" is a perfectly plausible answer. At a broader level, there is most consensus on the idea that the key failure in 2008 was that no one--neither…

> It's a little unclear, because (like many things in public policy) there's several putative explanations for what caused the crises, peoples' preconceived notions color which ones they favor, and it's manifestly unclear who is right. I thought 2008's cause was perfectly clear: the banks all sold insurance policies on each other (in the form of credit default swaps) that they couldn't fulfill. When one bank went und…

But why was there bad debt on the market ? Yes the defense mechanisms couldnt work since they were interdependent, but I saw a hairdresser on tv talking of how she used to flip 600k houses before the crisis, makes me think she s also part of the problem by failing to obey general accounting principles (dont borrow what you cant repay just because market goes up).

And no, saying natural idiocy in the citizenry is to be embraced, does not simplify the issue: it was caused by natural idiocy which was enabled by lax enforcement. There are countries where your credit score matters not at all and your current ability to actually repay is analyzed.

You can fix the banks all you want but if people take stupid loans you ll never run out of ways to crash.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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post #71

>Tether, has issued $62bn-worth of tokens which it says are redeemable for a dollar apiece. But of the assets backing the tokens in March only about 5% were cash or Treasury bills Cash & Cash Equivalents & Other Short-Term Deposits & Commercial Paper: Commercial Paper and Certificates of Deposit2 $30,807,654,349 Cash & Bank Deposits3 $6,282,756,692 Reverse Repo Notes4 $1,000,662,458 Treasury Bills5 $15,279,528,705 Su…

This article is not far from propaganda. I don't care for Tether or stable coins but this article is close a paid ad for banks and governments

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

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post #100

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Correct. The centralized authorities protect the economy against some failure-modes that a distributed process is vulnerable to (currency scarcities, tampering, panics, large-scale theft). They introduce other problems. Whether one thinks they introduce more problems than they fix is pretty much the defining factor on where one stands regarding the utility of fiat currencies.

I understand the point you're making, but I'd like to add that even if you accept that potentially stablecoins might avoid some problems a (politically tainted) central bank has, the issue isn't merely one of accepting that possibility, it's also one of lack of evidence and novelty. Having a bunch of private actors potentially run a huge experiment in which the economic fallout will not be born by them if it goes sid…

>>Having a bunch of private actors potentially run a huge experiment in which the economic fallout will not be born by them if it goes sideways is entirely unreasonable

The experiment is entirely opt in, with no one being affected that does not choose to be.

Re: Regulators should treat stablecoins like banks

#200

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>>A currency is a socioeconomic compact between capital and labor, intermediated by subject matter experts (ie the central bank) and government. Currency is an asset with a particular use-case. Its consumers do not enter into some elaborate agreement (compact) in order to use it. They use it because it's useful. Currency predates the government: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/05/210506174103.h... It arose…

Re your sciencedaily link, you are misinterpreting that in context. I suggest reading David Graeber's book Debt, the first 5000 years. He is the world authority on the topic. A short summary: Contrary to the imagined assumptions of Adam Smith, prehistoric humans operated via gift economies. This makes sense because they lived/survived in smallish tribal bands that required cooperation. This was even true of humans be…

I'm not misinterpreting it. The article says:

"The study challenges this notion by introducing the concept that money was a bottom-up convention rather than a top-down regulation. Bronze Age money in Western Eurasia emerges in a socio-political context in which public institutions either did not exist (as was the case in Europe) or were uninterested in enforcing any kind of monetary policy (as in Mesopotamia). In fact, money was widespread and used on a daily basis at all levels of the population."

So it clearly argues that money originated as a bottom-up phenomena without centralized authorities. You may dispute that theory, but it's not a misreading of the link's argument.

>>Those that lived in the surrounding vicinity of the temple were required to bring contributions, eg a goat herder would bring goats. The temple would record their contribution, typically denominated in units of weighed grain.

To call that money is quite tenuous. This kind of system would have been useless with any kind of long-term trade, e.g. the trade in lazuli, tin or flint, which has been occurring since even before agriculture.

If we want to use a definition of money so expansive as to include some temple credit system, then we could look to the theories of Nick Szabo, who originated the concept of smart contracts and the blockchain.

Szabo notes that proto-money has originated independently in numerous regions, like the kula trading ring in pre-colonial Melanesia, where two independent forms of proto-money enabled long-term trade: necklaces circulated clockwise, from one island to another in the kula ring of islands, while armshells circulated counter-clockwise.

In pre-colonial America, wampun, which are shells of the clam venus mercanaria, were used as proto-money, and in fact adopted by the colonists to great enough extent that the term "shelling out", denoting spending money, originates from it.

Szabo hypothesizes that the standardized collectibles seen in various early sites of homo sapien settlement dating from the paleolithic, like the ostrich-eggshell beads from the Kenya Rift Valley dated at 40,000 B.P and the mammoth ivory bead necklace from Sungir, Russai dated to 28,000 B.P, were in fact the earliest forms of money, and that the trade-based trustless coordination that this proto-money enabled raised the carrying capacity of the environment, and enabled humans to out-compete neanderthals.

https://fermatslibrary.com/s/shelling-out-the-origins-of-mon...

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