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My tiny side project has had more impact than my decade in the software industry

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Re: My tiny side project has had more impact than my decade in the software industry

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post #144

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Of course we can improve it - by identifying where people’s behaviors and systemic effects are causing undesirable behaviors. That probably doesn’t happen if we blame ‘finance’ for it though? Every system has exploitable loopholes and will become unbalanced once enough people start gaming it. Some of them (especially new ones) are easier than others. It’s easy to say ‘this is terrible’, but that can easily turn into…

Judging from how utterly close that was to a well-worn idiom, I'm guessing what the GP meant to write was "that doesn't mean we can't improve..." Just so you guys don't get into violent agreement.

Haha, for sure.

That’s it! Handshakes at dawn it is!

Re: My tiny side project has had more impact than my decade in the software industry

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post #180

As an employee your contribution to the world is just a little more than your wage. Which, since you take your wage home, is just a little.

I believe this is incorrect even from the simple economic perspective. Many companies (BigTech for example) are extremely net-positive financially. This means that the value they gain per employee is much higher than what they pay them. Taking this further - the customers in many cases (and certainly in ideal cases) are getting more value than the price they are paying (hence they agree to pay), so in a sense you cou…

If you are sitting in a cafe in Holland with a lot of people and someone runs over and says I'll pay you $10,000 to come and stick your finger in a dyke.

And you do.

Did you just save the city and the billions? Is that more meaningful and contributes more economically than someone who uses their rescue skills and saves a drowning stoned university student while walking home alone.

Re: My tiny side project has had more impact than my decade in the software industry

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you replace ‘finance’ with another system, I guarantee you’ll end up with another disaster soon enough. The only way you get halfway decent stability in any human run system is to build in expectations of human corruption and add in methods for self interested (aka greedy) people to get payoffs by tackling said corruption. The problem is that people are involved, and you’re not realizing what that means - people i…

>If you replace ‘finance’ with another system, I guarantee you’ll end up with another disaster soon enough. >The only way you get stability in any human run system is to build in expectations of human corruption and add in methods for self interested people to get payoffs. So which is it? Systems don't matter, or we need to build better systems? x) It seems these two sentences directly contradict each other. >you’re…

Systems matter, 'finance' (whatever that even means here) isn't a single system. People matter, and if you whack specific individuals here (if you can find them), entirely different ones will spring into their place.

near as I can tell, these kinds of messes happen - period.

The reason for the condescension is you seem hell bent on assuming 1) there is such a better system that exists, or can exist, that doesn't make an even bigger mess, but don't seem interested in giving a pointer to it 2) that there were specific individual actors that 'did this' and can be identified, and that can be nailed down without new ones popping up in their places. Aka, there are specific bad guys who made this happen, and if they had been stopped, it would not have occurred.

Which near as I can tell, if they exist, even they didn't know they were those people at the time.

It's a never ending cycle that can be improved but not eliminated, and most of the improvement is after the mess has occurred.

If you go after the people involved with a purely punitive mindset like what you seem to be advocating, it also makes everyone hide everything they are doing everywhere even more (good or not, since they can't tell how it will turn out in the end and be retroactively judged), so it is even harder to figure out you've got a problem somewhere until you have an even bigger smoking crater. There were definitely people acting in bad faith and committing clearly criminal actions. There were also the majority of people along for the ride. There were also huge market forces, including all the normal folks signing up for insane mortgages.

Blaming it all on 'finance' is just silly.

Re: My tiny side project has had more impact than my decade in the software industry

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post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging from how utterly close that was to a well-worn idiom, I'm guessing what the GP meant to write was "that doesn't mean we can't improve..." Just so you guys don't get into violent agreement.

Haha, for sure. That’s it! Handshakes at dawn it is!

The new Russian-roulette-ish form of dueling: Handshakes at dawn -- without hand sanitizer.
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