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Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

There is literally just one short paragraph of personal intro by the CEO, before getting the “plot”.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable, but...

> Intrinsic is working to unlock the creative and economic potential of industrial robotics

...is under the fold, under two paragraphs and an image

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#192

How is it possible that we don’t have robots to do very basic household tasks such as fold laundry by now?

I currently have a robot washing my clothes, another robot washing my dishes, a third robot vacuuming my floors. Cybernetic systems adjust the temperature in my house and water my lawn. I even have a little robot I keep in the freezer to make ice cubes while I sleep.

So, two answers - 1. folding laundry is a difficult technical challenge. 2. when we get a robot to do that task, we won't call it a robot.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#193

I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

Maybe I'm off base here, as it's no small feat by any means, but it's especially jarring to read when "first-website-building-SaaS" has so little to do with industrial robotics at its surface.

I had a similar impression. It was jarring to say the least and made me ask so many questions that had nothing to do with the story. Does this person lead every tech related conversation with, "When I was the CEO of Moonbeans, the world's first SAAS blockchain beanbag chair crowd sourcing platform" just to buy some credibility? Why do they feel the need to tell us that? Do they have inadequacy issues or is it the opposite? I can barely remember what that article was about. Robotics? Oh, right, shame it's an Alphabet subsidiary. It's bound to end up in the Google graveyard when it fails to be one of the top 10 most profitable companies in the world. Even if they do great things and make a great product, it's the fate which will inevitably follow most of Alphabet's projects until the SEC breaks them up, this being one of many good reasons.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#194
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I don’t think is true at all. CAM is dramatically more advanced than it was in the 70s - easier to use, and better algorithms mean much faster pathing. Costs are way down. Tooling is cheaper and more reliable.

Of course there's been quantitative improvements, but fundamentally everything that can be designed and machined today could be designed and machined in late 1970s using very similar tools, processes and control systems.

Yes, the technology is the same. But how many machined products were available for the consumer to buy in 1970? I was excited about the Macbook Air not because it was thin, but because it was CNC made, just like the aerospace products I designed. Injection molding remains dominant, but over the last 15 years CNC has made a lot of progress.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#195

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Recipes by themselves aren’t copyrightable. Bullshit stories are.

Does copyright for a story containing a recipe protect against use of the recipe outside the context of the story?

I think the question is “is it possible to split recipe from BS story programmatically”

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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Or that Americans aren't willing to work for the prevailing global wage that manufacturing workers demand. Why would any company keep manufacturing here when labor is so expensive? Effective manufacturing robots would allow manufacturing to move back to the us.

The government buys a shitload of stuff and everything has to be sourced* and made in America*. *There are exceptions, but they are rare.

How could this possibly work for, e.g., electronics? How does the government buy computers that are made in America? Unless there is some loophole whereby all the parts are acquired from wherever they are acquired, and the manufacturer just assembles the box in the US and gets to label it "Made in USA"?

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#197

I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

I can understand why the style may seem offputting, but the thing to understand is that it has been traditionally very hard to engage with the public on this topic of robotic advancement. In fact, I know a bit about this myself, having been in the robotics space for over a decade. But my own struggles in the field only reflect a longer trend, which I can even trace back to my grandfather. Growing up in a strict Luthe…

Bravo

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#198

How is it possible that we don’t have robots to do very basic household tasks such as fold laundry by now?

I currently have a robot washing my clothes, another robot washing my dishes, a third robot vacuuming my floors. Cybernetic systems adjust the temperature in my house and water my lawn. I even have a little robot I keep in the freezer to make ice cubes while I sleep. So, two answers - 1. folding laundry is a difficult technical challenge. 2. when we get a robot to do that task, we won't call it a robot.

My quick test for a robot would be: does it have at least one appendage-like part performing a task? A washing machine has nothing like that, but a Kuka robot practically is a programmable arm, and Boston Dynamics robots have legs.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#199

How is it possible that we don’t have robots to do very basic household tasks such as fold laundry by now?

Because folding laundry is extremely difficult for robots, easy for humans and people are not willing to pay much money or give up much space for a laundry folding robot.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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That's a very interesting question. Apple was once into design for assembly. The Macintosh IIci was Apple's peak at design for assembly. It was designed for vertical assembly. Everything clicks into place with a straight-down insertion move. No wiring harnesses. The power supply plugs into the motherboard. An automated plant in Fremont CA did the assembly. Then Apple gave up on design for assembly and went to offshor…

Do you, or anyone else here, know how much money Apple saved by offshoring? I sometimes get it. Then when I hear robots were used, I wonder if it's really necassary to always go to the cheapest labor route. For years, I held it against Apple for moving manufacturing, but gave up when everyone followed.

> Do you, or anyone else here, know how much money Apple saved by offshoring?

There's another axis here, which is how our desire for a product overlaps with DFM. It could be the case that offshoring to cheap labor actually increased the manufacturing costs 2x, but enabled a product that would sell 10x better than its DFM counterpart.

(I have no data to say that is the case, only the intution that these things are complicated systems which rarely come down to single-issue decisions.)

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