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Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by Zancarius »

nashashmi wrote: post #190
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #173

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> we're definitely not alone and I have seen many indian and other south asian friends do the same. Thank you for considering the struggles of others while you yourself face it. I know a self made individual from Nepal like you in U.S. working in IT with green card and might be able to guide you. Contact me if you're looking for such help. It's hard to visualize the digital divide in education induced due to the pand…

I think of all those people with phones that easily break because the phone was not made so well. Or because the children are not so tech savvy to make garabage tech work. Like I can. Having been in a highly stressed environment myself, the emotions that drive them to self harm are all too well known for me.

> garabage tech

I know this was a typo, but it feels like an unintentional portmanteau of "garbage" and "garage" which seems to fit particularly well. I hope you don't go back to edit this!

Also: Borrowing!

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by Aperocky »

908B64B197 wrote: post #179
hemanta212 wrote: post #42

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Thank you for such kind and generous gesture. Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Fortunately, I have managed to get few python freelance gigs here and there and in a few months, I may be able to afford one.

> Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Something I never really understood, when going to less developed countries, why are customs always trying to fleece everyone? Normalized bribes, byzantine bureaucracy, astronomical import duties on computers and essential products. What's the goal with this? Is there some kind of lo…

Less developed for a reason.

There are a significant amount of people who are basically milking the rest of the society with their power and doing so without any consequence. This is what entrenched corruption looks like.

There are no need to specifically break any laws that others are not breaking already, there just have to be so many that compliance is impossible and enforcement selective. When the gray area expand so significantly, you get the power broker rich as they enjoy competitive advantage.

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by stan_rogers »

andi999 wrote: post #171
ansible wrote: post #54

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> I have difficulties understanding this. I learned Basic ard 84 on a c64. I don't understand why anybody would learn it without access to any device. You don't understand my youthful obsession with computers? Or you don't understand that my family couldn't afford a C64 when they first came out? I hopefully don't have to explain the 2nd reason to you. As for the first, I don't quite know how to explain that. As I lea…

I understand a youthful obsession and I understand not being able to afford a computer. I can understand if there is a slight access to a computer (either in a shop selling those not minding the kids playing ard, or a distant acquaintance of an uncle allowing for 30 min screen time every month or needing to bribe the grounds keeper for access to the schools it room), but I have a hard time understanding zero access a…

Computers weren't new. The idea that an ordinary person might have access to one, or even own one, even if that "ordinary person" wasn't you, was new at the time. And there was more than a little excitement about those turnkey machines you could just buy and use, assuming you had the money. There were books and magazines, educational TV shows, etc. I picked up BASIC long before I ever saw a computer that ran BASIC. (I did have the opportunity to try a little bit of FORTRAN using MarkSense cards on a 1401 in the year before the MIPS Altair 8800 was announced as a kit in Popular Electronics. We'd send the card bundles away, and a couple of weeks later we'd get a printout, usually of syntax errors, along with punched versions of the cards we'd sent off. One would quickly learn to pay a little more attention writing and mentally running code.) With BASIC, it's very easy to picture what's going on without knowing much at all about the hardware. With assembly language, not so much.

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by TimTheTinker »

vnorilo wrote: post #133
Leparamour wrote: post #124

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As someone who is just learning coding in Python again, the amount of available learning material and projects create the luxury problem of overabundance. It's like drinking from a fire-hose as it's nearly impossible to discern the myriad of low-quality from high-quality content or even what's even relevant in order to get a general programming education. Too many companies trying to lock you into eco-systems, new fr…

This - I never felt the lack of learning materials. I saved my pocket money to buy Turbo C++ and Assembler in my teens. They came with nice fat books that explained standard libraries and instruction sets. My library had more books with references for DOS interrupts/syscalls, memory managers. I got a game programming book that showed me how to push pixels into the framebuffer, and which ports to bang to get a Sound B…

You sound like a smart person who learns quickly.

I asked for a Borland C book and compiler, which my parents gave me for my 15th birthday (I think)... I tried to read it but I couldn't understand it.

I also used to carry around and read the "Practical C++ programming book", trying and failing to grok it... what I didn't understand (and what I didn't hear anywhere) was that trying small examples is the only way to really get started in a new programming language.

As a high schooler, the only languages I made progress in were the super-approachable ones -- like TI-basic and QBASIC.

The modern internet would have made it all so much easier :-)

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by cxr »

zepto wrote: post #167
cxr wrote: post #122

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> Completely impossible to write anything in a commercially used language. You're approaching this as if the comment was an opinion about the feasibility of doing commercial software development instead of what it was, which is a statement about HCI and the "implicit step zero" of software creation on today's commodity computing devices. Another way to put it is that this is a discussion about friction, and the origi…

The context is: “Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone.” And: “It’s easier to program a TI-89 calculator than an iPhone.” > The original comment as it stands is fine. Don't expect to be able to interpret it on different terms than the way it was meant to be understood. The comment is complete bullshit in this context. > instead of what it was, which is a statement about HCI and the "…

> The context is: “Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone.”

It's not. You are ignoring the place in the thread where the comment appears.

No one has argued that learning TI Basic is more worthwhile than learning HTML, JS, and CSS (or Python) on a mobile phone. No one has argued for advising someone that they should be "getting a job if you only know how to program a TI-84". The claim is strictly that going from 0 to hello world is easier on a calculator than it is on an iPhone.

> made up a context in which it makes sense out of whole cloth

Wrong, and posting another comment trying to argue your uncharitable take won't make it correct or reasonable. Go pick a fight and declare that the pushback you encounter is "bullshit" somewhere else. This is stupid.

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by bitcurious »

908B64B197 wrote: post #179
hemanta212 wrote: post #42

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Thank you for such kind and generous gesture. Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Fortunately, I have managed to get few python freelance gigs here and there and in a few months, I may be able to afford one.

> Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Something I never really understood, when going to less developed countries, why are customs always trying to fleece everyone? Normalized bribes, byzantine bureaucracy, astronomical import duties on computers and essential products. What's the goal with this? Is there some kind of lo…

Emergent, not planned. But everyone gets a cut, so nothing changes.

Re: Nepalese student learns HTML, JavaScript, CSS using just a mobile phone

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Post by bugfix »

908B64B197 wrote: post #179
hemanta212 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for such kind and generous gesture. Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Fortunately, I have managed to get few python freelance gigs here and there and in a few months, I may be able to afford one.

> Sadly, with how things are with the courier and customs dep. here they can charge 30-40% of orignal price to receive electronic items Something I never really understood, when going to less developed countries, why are customs always trying to fleece everyone? Normalized bribes, byzantine bureaucracy, astronomical import duties on computers and essential products. What's the goal with this? Is there some kind of lo…

The high fees are used to discourage imports. Here in my country they say these taxes are used to "protect the local businesses/manufacturing", but it makes absolutely no sense, because most (tech) products aren't even made here. They usually charge you 60-70% of the retail price.
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