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Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

alexg0 wrote: post #187
masklinn wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how it's worth mentioning. Xcode not being included in the Lion DMG is not surprising, it's "no shit": Xcode was never in the OSX image in the first place, why would Lion be any different? The only difference is that 4.1 is not released yet, and thus not currently available. That's it. That it's not part of lion (let alone installed by default) is anything but surprising.

What is worth mentioning, if you had an earlier version of XCode installed, upgrade to Lion breaks it.

Wasn't that always the case as well? I don't remember but that seems likely since Apple always releases a new Xcode version synchronized with the main OS.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by blinkingled »

tambourine_man wrote: post #174
blinkingled wrote: post #30

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my…

But gcc does work right?

Nope - GCC is not to be found after the upgrade. I guess we will have to wait for 4.1 to become available on Mac App Store.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by jonpaul »

blinkingled wrote: post #30

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my…

Does the latest VMWare Fusion work right?

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by X-Istence »

lean wrote: post #171
jamesu wrote: post #133

I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob. Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff. So in some regards a step forwards…

A show of hands, does anyone use these apps? I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.

I use those apps. I prefer not to use web based applications.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

ceejayoz wrote: post #180
masklinn wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, 4.1 is still in GM, not released yet, you need a paid developer account to get the GM. In fact, not only is 4.1 not available, 4.0 is gone from MAS.

It's available now: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id448457090

Thanks. Good news, one item off the checklist.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by cdcarter »

lean wrote: post #171
jamesu wrote: post #133

I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob. Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff. So in some regards a step forwards…

A show of hands, does anyone use these apps? I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.

Yes, many people do.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by gte910h »

napierzaza wrote: post #173
gte910h wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot people really used it without the developer program. Good point for those users.

As an active developer with apps in the store etc, I don't like upgrading xcode until it's a final release. I've used GMs and betas too many times and then found out I can't submit code built from it. It's really annoying, and I'm not about to test out the buggy xcodes or manage multiple installs. The current 4.x retail releases are buggy enough. So if that's the way it's going to be I will also wait for everything t…

Oh I'm in the same place (well I'm a 3rd party developer supporting many shops like yours).

I've heard from one of the MailChimp guys 4.1 was submitting binaries just fine.

I call myself 'An Upgrade Coward'. I'm afraid of Xcode3 breaking even (a couple clients). Probably going to dupe my SSD into the Spinner so I have a working Xcode3 install no matter what.

You do know you can install multiple Xcode versions in parallel right?

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by sigzero »

ben1040 wrote: post #177
sigzero wrote: post #141

Does Lion "reset" the file system? I have stuff like Perl and Python that I installed myself. Some stuff resides in /usr/local/bin and other stuff in ~/Library/. Was wondering if that all got wiped on the install?

All my /usr/local remained intact on upgrade. I believe this was the standard behavior with an upgrade install on previous OS X releases, and it got moved out of the way when you did an "archive and install." I couldn't even find an option to archive and install on Lion, does it even exist? I would rather have done that and gotten rid of all the cruft I've accumulated.

I was thinking of the cruft as well. But don't want to lose my iTunes settings etc.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

blinkingled wrote: post #192
tambourine_man wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But gcc does work right?

Nope - GCC is not to be found after the upgrade. I guess we will have to wait for 4.1 to become available on Mac App Store.

it is now: http://itunes.apple.com/app/xcode/id448457090

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by blinkingled »

jonpaul wrote: post #193
blinkingled wrote: post #30

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my…

Does the latest VMWare Fusion work right?

Yes 3.1.3 is working fine for me - haven't tested fully but the app starts and my suspended VMs all resume and work fine.

When will we be able to install Lion under VMWare - hopefully pretty soon now that the license allows it.

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