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Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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Steve Jobs had been gone for 12 years, there was plenty of culture clash and turf wars. Steve just managed to prevail. When he returned, the workforce was pampered and attached to projects that weren't going anywhere. Steve removed a number of perks, and killed some of the biggest, most internally popular projects (Newton and OpenDoc come to mind). Lot's of people left. But Steve came back to Apple as a savvy politic…

Minor correction: I wouldn’t call Newton an “internally popular product”. At least, working on Newton I didn’t feel that way. And just before SJ came back, Apple had spun Newton out into a separate company because it wasn’t really fitting in. SJ spun it back in and killed it.

Would love to learn more about Newton - history and/or tech. Any resources on the web or anything interesting you may want to share?

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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One of my recent revelations was when I told my teen children "... a company like IBM". To what they said "what is IBM??" They know all the large tech companies but that one was a surprise to them, they had a look at Wikipedia and said "ah yes, it was a great company in your times". Time to get some wine.

IBM portfolio isn't targeted to consumers like Apple's or other companies, even at peak IBM it was an office name, not a household name. The only consumer facing product they had for the longest time were cash registers, and those aren't particularly hip as to live in consumer imagination Edit: in today episode, hacker news forget they're a niche cohort.

It's funny because when I read something like this (and your pretty harsh replies) I feel attacked! I mean, there are a lot of reasons you might say this including but not limited to: you weren't alive (or were too young) in the 70s/80s, you were in a country that had a different culture, you grew up in your own bubble.

And maybe, just maybe, my memory is bad. But I really feel almost gaslit. Like where someone is telling me my lived experience wasn't my lived experience. I remember IBM as one of the most recognizable brands of the time. I recall in social studies class a teacher talking about how IBM sold calculating devices to Nazi Germany during the war. I remember another class where we discussed IBMs infamous "THINK" posters, which we discussed in relation to propaganda and subliminal messaging. I remember that THINK poster showing up as a gag in the early Simpsons TV show. When Apple made the famous super bowl commercial where the athlete throws a sledge-hammer at the George Orwell-esque Big Brother screen, every news outlet was going on-and-on about how it was a direct attack on IBM and the stodgy perception that PCs were only for business. And of course the whole Deep Blue chess match. Heck, even the Jeopardy Watson thing had IBM branding all over it. In all of those cases IBM had a cultural currency that anchored the discussion.

I would honestly be completely and genuinely surprised to find any people in my age group born and raised in North America wouldn't immediately recognize the IBM brand.

When I think of niche tech brands from that time I believe Oracle and Cisco fit that "you only know if you know" kind of niche. But IBM? It actually feels so completely unbelievable to me that it can't be true. But hey, maybe you're right and I'm wrong?

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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He sold zero IBM System Z mainframes to AWS.

He let thousands of IBM point of sale systems to be replaced with crap that can't buffer keystrokes - instead of modernizing the SDKs for those who know Linux and not AIX.

He bought RedHat, but not Digital Ocean so they had a cloud consumers trust.

He didn't win a serious contract with Facebook for kernel tuning. He didn't win a serious contract with AWS for AWS Linux 3.

He let COBOL and APL continue to die instead of funding modern tooling.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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The IBM Thinkpad was probably the most well known laptop brand for 10-15 years. Even now I would guess people still equate “Thinkpad” with IBM even though they sold it off to Lenovo 15 years ago.

As an IBMer at the time, I remember having conversations about how that decision would ultimately doom IBM to irrelevance since it would remove IBM entirely from the consumer market...

Don’t forget they sold the tiny HDD division to Hitachi (I believe) in like 1999 or 2000, which went on to earn billions from the iPod. Not a lot of good business decisions coming out of IBM.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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I saw this coming even before the acquisition. While Red Hat did help fund some excellent open source work, usually through acquisitions, they would never have been my first choice for partner support. Red hat is for companies that have no clue what they are doing and caters to executive management who wants their name in marketing so they can talk about how they helped make the company more successful so they can find a higher paying executive role at another large enterprise. Once a company has some descent Linux engineers and developers, they then switch to CentOS, Ubuntu, or some lighter weight distro. At that point, if you continue to engage with Red Hat, usually because some executive is getting kickbacks and has signed multi-year contracts, you just end up doing all the work yourself realizing that a lot of your problems are caused by Red Hat and that you'd be better off with another distro entirely.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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> garbage For sensitive issues, it's hard to imagine this will lead to a constructive, curious conversation. It would be interesting, for example, if you and the GP tried to examine why you have such different experiences? Maybe you were in different places, working for different people, and saw different things? Maybe different job descriptions? The world is always much bigger than what we imagine.

This is not a "sensitive" issue, unless you consider GP's opinion "sensitive". I don't. I also don't think it would lead to a curious, constructive conversation. There is probably nothing OP could offer which would change what the experience of 8 years in RH engineering showed me. At best, it would lead to another long reply where I tried to explain what RH was actually like versus GP's impression. It's essentially G…

I agree with the rest of your comment but I just want to respond to this part:

>If you don't have thick skin, you should probably avoid upstream discussions

I have a humble request, please discontinue this attitude on your own projects and please encourage other upstreams to also discontinue it. I'm baffled as to why so many open source maintainers seem to confuse needing to defend technical decisions with "having a thick skin," they are not the same. It's perfectly possible to be opinionated and strongly scrutinize a technical decision, while also not being harsh and rude towards the person presenting it. If you believe those mailing lists are unsalvageably hostile, then in my opinion, they should just be shut down. That's not the kind of place to have official project communication.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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The IBM Thinkpad was probably the most well known laptop brand for 10-15 years. Even now I would guess people still equate “Thinkpad” with IBM even though they sold it off to Lenovo 15 years ago.

As an IBMer at the time, I remember having conversations about how that decision would ultimately doom IBM to irrelevance since it would remove IBM entirely from the consumer market...

Despite not having one, I was mystified by such the obviously terrible idea of selling off the daily "I love my IBM" from who knows how many tech people's lives.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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Sole? No. No matter how many times people repeat it. Or, at least, companies can and do spend money on things that can be argued to be in service of the long-term profit and image of the company. Otherwise, how could a company do charitable giving? That said, if someone makes an offer for a public company, the board does pretty much need to put it to a shareholder vote although they can negotiate for a higher price a…

"long-term profit" is the long-term financial returns to shareholders -- and corporate philanthropy is generally held to be justified in B-school circles only in so far as it builds up marketable goodwill (again, adding shareholder value), not for its own sake.

This is why some companies and interests are better off staying private. SpaceX is a perfect example. Musk doesn't want to be accountable to shareholders for return on investment and annual results.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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One of my recent revelations was when I told my teen children "... a company like IBM". To what they said "what is IBM??" They know all the large tech companies but that one was a surprise to them, they had a look at Wikipedia and said "ah yes, it was a great company in your times". Time to get some wine.

Lots of nostalgia in this thread. However, I recently started playing around with IBM's quantum computer cloud service and it has been by far the best experience compared to other players. Who knows, that might be their come back story!

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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When I talk to former IBMers (including a VP), it seems much of the outward “success” there is financial engineering, yet the business is crumbling in reality. Jim leaving amidst a chaotic, failed email migration that is impacting sales is not surprising

Can you shed some more light on email migration? What was it about and why did it fail?

Previous threads :

- IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has been a disaster: sources[1]

- IBM email fiasco complicates sales deals, is worse than biz is letting on[2]

[1]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27692965

[2]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706128

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