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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Interesting article for two reasons, how the practice originated and what it implies.

The practice seems to be somewhat wide spread (in the distance between departments case). That might be because it came from a Facebook group or forum where Law Enforcement officers exchange tips. The second is the choice of artist (Swift) who has been in a pretty visible battle with ownership of her music. I suspect that if the officers who use this technique thought about it, they might find that using Disney tunes would be more effective in terms of triggering DMCA takedowns.

What it implies, and is explicitly stated in the referenced video, is that a law enforcement officer is explicitly attempting to deny you your 1st Amendment right (as adjudicated by the courts). While the doctrine of qualified immunity would likely shield them from prosecution, it is still a violation of your civil rights and should certainly merit disciplinary action on the part of the police department.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

pc86 wrote: post #169
lucideer wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reasonable argument that deepfakes are challenging our ability to rely on video evidence in general, but saying any editing at all removes credibility is pretty out there. Almost every video on the internet has been edited in some way.

Are there deepfakes out there that can withstand even a cursory technical interrogation? Most of them are extremely obvious once you've seen two or three.

Depends what you mean by "technical".

There are deep fakes that are good enough to fool some humans. There are deep fakes that are good enough to pass by some AI detection. Then there are some deep fakes that can not pass either.

By definition this is unquatifiable problem since you won't know how many deep fakes you aren't detecting since you aren't detecting them.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by lucideer »

Hamuko wrote: post #102
lucideer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the tools available now to do speech replacement/ deepfakes / etc. I wonder is there anything open-source available for song-replacement. This is actually a problem I've seen on multiple (more innocuous) occasions: so-called "content-creator" youtubers casually mentioning that they had to throw away clips or rerecord sections during editing after realising there was copyrighted background noise. So I'd say ther…

It'd probably be better to do a vocal boost to the max and try to silence the music part as much as you can. Although I don't really know how often it's going to be necessary. Here I am watching this police officer blast some garbled mess on a YouTube video.

A straight vocal boost would change the audio profile of the overall scene pretty significantly, so I'm thinking some tool that has less impact would be desirable.

> I don't really know how often it's going to be necessary. Here I am watching this police officer blast some garbled mess

I don't know how it'd fare in this instance but continuous improvements to the Shazam-esque algorithms used by copyright-flagging bots might make this less and less likely to go undetected.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by varispeed »

CyberShadow wrote: post #175
varispeed wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many Android phones you can't record calls and call recording apps don't work. When I recently reported a crime police didn't show up and when I asked them to come for a follow up, they lied that I have not asked anyone to come. The lovely lady even said "We listened to your call and you didn't ask us to come when incident happened."

The reason is mostly technical. Depending on the phone, call audio isn't implemented as much in software as wired directly (in some variable degree) to the radio hardware. This is why the quality and success rate of call recording apps varies - it depends how many kinds of configurations the app authors managed to implement support / workarounds for.

No, I am sure it is intentional. I have call recording working on my phone, but I know for a fact the pending software update I have disables that functionality.

The success rate varies, because of the cat and mouse game with manufacturers.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by zinekeller »

zinekeller wrote: post #188
effingwewt wrote: post #183

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Bullshit. They break it with updates on phones where it worked just fine. They also removed access to root folders on a whim. This sucked for those of us with locked bootloaders, without root we now lost access to those folders and the contents therein.

What is you country (of your SIM card)? If it's Asia, I'm definitely sure that circumventing that restriction (even analog means) will get you to jail. Edit: also some parts of the US!

Sadly, the HN can't handle valid concerns.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by akersten »

oh_sigh wrote: post #179
akersten wrote: post #150

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> He is just playing it for those immediately around him. That doesn't count as a public performance That literally is the definition of "public performance." He is in public, playing for an audience that is not his private close family and friends. > By your logic, if someone is playing music in a park or beach, I could start filming them and they'd have to turn it off. Obviously that is ridiculous. You can't perfor…

No, you're not looking at it like a prosecutor/RIAA goon would, because they have not sued anyone ever for merely playing music on their phone while standing in public. What you're doing is taking a phrase which has a contextual meaning within copyright law, looking at the individual words of the phrase based on their common usage, and then saying that your new understanding based on the individual words is how copyr…

> because they have not sued anyone ever for merely playing music on their phone while standing in public.

But that's not (just) what the officer was doing - he was playing music as background to his business operation, which RIAA have definitely sued establishments over[0]. If you're playing music as a soundtrack for your business (in this case, the business of law enforcement), you need a license. Even in a non-business context, if they had a chance to sue you for playing music in public, they would. There just haven't been any prominent/worthwhile cases for them to do so. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that isn't what the law allows.

[0]: https://www.frantzward.com/news-blog/june-2017/let-the-music...

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #172
Judgmentality wrote: post #73

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Good on the protestors for calling him out on being an asshole, filming it, and getting the publicity this deserves so we can have a public debate about the manchildren our government protects through qualified immunity. If the officer really wanted to engage with the protestors, all he had to do was not play the song. The cops care more about protecting themselves than protecting the citizens they aren't even sworn…

>If the officer really wanted to engage with the protestors It is painfully obvious that he did NOT want to do that. The protestors wanted to engage with him and nitpick on whatever order he had given them. They are acting hostile and trying to land the officer in question in trouble. Yeah he kind a does it to himself by trying to play the music so the video won't end up on Youtube, but I can only see this as anti po…

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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by tshaddox »

CyberShadow wrote: post #175
varispeed wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many Android phones you can't record calls and call recording apps don't work. When I recently reported a crime police didn't show up and when I asked them to come for a follow up, they lied that I have not asked anyone to come. The lovely lady even said "We listened to your call and you didn't ask us to come when incident happened."

The reason is mostly technical. Depending on the phone, call audio isn't implemented as much in software as wired directly (in some variable degree) to the radio hardware. This is why the quality and success rate of call recording apps varies - it depends how many kinds of configurations the app authors managed to implement support / workarounds for.

Is that so? I can make phone calls with my iPhone on wireless Bluetooth headphones. Does the radio hardware directly stream to whatever headphones my iPhone is paired with? I suppose it’s possible, but it strikes me as unlikely.
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