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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by r00fus »

reedjosh wrote: post #120
HWR_14 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

Okay, but if they send their children to christian school (I'm actually not religious myself), is that too much indoctrination for you, or is it okay for people to raise their children with their own views and culture?

As long as they are raised to be good citizens. Being a citizen of the US confers rights and privileges, it should require exposure to some basic knowledge as well.

Schools that teach against known facts like evolution are a net negative.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by r00fus »

wolverine876 wrote: post #110
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

> Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I think it heavily depends on what media you see. The best journalism generally avoids it (i.e., the straight news side). Most journalism isn't in the top few percentile, but you don't need to read anything less than the best. I stick to the best, and when I encounter lesser stuff (e.g., I was visiting relatives and CN…

BBC is biased in what it chooses to cover/not cover. You can have reasonably objective coverage but still carry water for the propaganda machine.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by tolbish »

temp8964 wrote: post #162
humaniania wrote: post #161

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Yes, it is. "As Media Matters has previously noted, Fox News’ current obsession with “critical race theory” has been a year in making. What once was a slow trickle of monthly mentions has developed into a full blown assault. Since February, month over month mentions of the theory have more than doubled on Fox News as the network has begun to spin an illusion of what it is and where it’s being taught (in reality, crit…

Your logic is very very strange. Because Fox mentioned it, it must be created by Fox?

Fox is known for the "People are saying" propaganda that makes something seem like it's everywhere to build consensus.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by jhabdas »

francisofascii wrote: post #91
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

What some educational systems are missing is a class on how to identify propaganda, just like this blog post. Sometimes this is covered in a logic course that covers logical reasoning, logical fallacies, etc. How these techniques are used in advertising, news stories, etc.

Philosophy and sociology should be moved earlier in the curriculum. I gained much from studying Descartes and Bertrand Russell, and learning propositional logic. The school system did not teach me those things until after I graduated high school. Had those teachings come earlier I may not have been as susceptible to propaganda at such a young age as I was.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by akomtu »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #177
pacerwpg wrote: post #144

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I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

You casting doubt on the poster's assertions makes me incredibly angry. You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in public schools yet you pretend to be wiser than the poster about it. I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right no…

The next logical step, at least per how it happened in USSR/China, will be asking students to fill out questionnaires about their attitude to BLM/CRT, recording the list of intellectual dissenters and talking to parents and their employers about the problematic behavior of their children. If we get that far, the step after that will be encouraging students to report their friends who've been noticed in insufficient support of the regime.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by fartcannon »

Propaganda is defeated by shedding light on it. It requires constant vigilance.

One of the problems with HN (don't hate me Dang) is that we aren't permitted to call out propaganda as this article suggests we do. It all happens behind the scenes and as a result, its inherently unseen. It needs to be seen. We almost needs a wall of shame for groups/orgs caught engaging in PR.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by akomtu »

wolverine876 wrote: post #183
akomtu wrote: post #139

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That's a real thing, though. In fact, some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637

> some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill: > https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637 If you are aware of that bill, you know that it's potentially a product of the conservative reactionary movement, which demonizes anything liberal and attacks with everything they've got. That doesn't mean propaganda doesn't exist in educati…

The bill's language is very simple and reasonable, e.g. "members of one race or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race or sex." I don't really see where this bill attempts to demonize anything.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

tolbish wrote: post #193
temp8964 wrote: post #162

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Your logic is very very strange. Because Fox mentioned it, it must be created by Fox?

Fox is known for the "People are saying" propaganda that makes something seem like it's everywhere to build consensus.

But it's truly "everywhere". There are too many photos of those crazy presentations come out almost every week. Maybe you think it's not widely spread. But those crazy nuts are being adopted by many places. Parents are rightfully concerned.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

akomtu wrote: post #195
MarkLowenstein wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You casting doubt on the poster's assertions makes me incredibly angry. You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in public schools yet you pretend to be wiser than the poster about it. I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right no…

The next logical step, at least per how it happened in USSR/China, will be asking students to fill out questionnaires about their attitude to BLM/CRT, recording the list of intellectual dissenters and talking to parents and their employers about the problematic behavior of their children. If we get that far, the step after that will be encouraging students to report their friends who've been noticed in insufficient s…

Spot on. Reporting peers is already encouraged in many schools and even colleges.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by AlexTWithBeard »

HWR_14 wrote: post #94
reedjosh wrote: post #75

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> As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised. Downvoted for raising your children as you'd like. Lol, that's HN for ya.

Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

Children aren't property.

Children are responsibility and responsibility must come with certain rights.

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