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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by bigbillheck » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

dshpala wrote: post #171

noahbradley wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, not true and a gross distortion of what happened that night.

Noah, why are you even replying to this guy? He is obviously a troll, and you won't be able to "explain" anything to him. Personally, I enjoy ignoring his types in online debates. Bait them, and ignore them - priceless.

> He is obviously a troll

My only misdeed in this thread was having missed the part in the OP about that '48 laws' thing.

What I'm seeing in this whole mess is an admitted 'sexual predator' (his own words!) trying to portray himself as the victim, and I'm disappointed that so many people here are buying it.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by qbasic_forever » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #149

qbasic_forever wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an odd strawman. I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment.

I'm glad we've found the first person in life who has never made a mistake! What a shining example you are.

I have never been a sexual predator and will commit to never being one in the future. This is something I would wager the vast, vast majority of the public can commit to too. This is not something weird or out of the ordinary.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by rkk3 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #143

What he's supposed to have done: “I was terrible to women. I preyed on them. I ceaselessly hit on them. I pressured them into sex. I got too drunk and did all manner of dumb things.” None of which is illegal. It's not even a matter for civil litigation. He was not accused of doing this as a boss in an organization. Or in a workplace context. There were apparently no criminal charges. No EEOC complaints filed.[1] No a…

In his apology he also referred to himself as a "Sexual Predator" and said that he pressured people into sex... These are pretty loaded terms to be throwing around and no surprise people on Twitter took the worst interpretation.

He might be worse than Prince Andrew at PR.

https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by Nextgrid » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #161

There are real humans behind this outrage and cancel culture is much deeper than Twitter. It might be a tool to organize but I’ve seen cancel culture outside of the context of Twitter. At workplaces, friend circles, organizations and even within families. Cancel culture is a fight by one group to gain moral superiority over others. When you do that, there is no way anyone can defend including the author. Instead of c…

Twitter and similar advertising-supported platforms encourage it though. Their algorithms promote divisive content (even if libelous, plain stupid or dangerous like health-related conspiracies) as they generate a lot of "engagement" and they don't have any rules against mobs for the same reason.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by defaultname » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #143

What he's supposed to have done: “I was terrible to women. I preyed on them. I ceaselessly hit on them. I pressured them into sex. I got too drunk and did all manner of dumb things.” None of which is illegal. It's not even a matter for civil litigation. He was not accused of doing this as a boss in an organization. Or in a workplace context. There were apparently no criminal charges. No EEOC complaints filed.[1] No a…

The original complaint claimed that he was a groper. That's sexual harassment. It's illegal. It's incredibly toxic and creepy, and people who do it are out of touch cretins who make everything worse.

Citing that no one officially lodged a criminal complaint isn't a counterpoint. Most sexual assault isn't pursued. Serial creeps are plying their trade right now.

But yeah, if he's associated with a brand and he's going to important trade events for that brand and being a despicable creep, in every dimension that is grounds for being fired.

Mob mentality and so-called cancel culture are deeply unfortunate, often doing more damage than the things they are angered about. However creeps have negative consequences when they come under scrutiny, especially when it encourages others to note other creepy incidents.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by newbie789 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

fration wrote: post #77

nsxwolf wrote: post #5

Be anonymous. Be obscure. Stop talking to people on the internet.

Noah Bradley did not get cancelled for online behavior, he got blacklisted in the art industry for being a sexual predator.

I find it a little odd that in the original apology he refers to himself as a sexual predator but in this blog post he was a “womaniz[er]”.

The term womanizer generally refers to people that have lots of sexual encounters with different women, and has a strong connotation of “I’m very attractive to the opposite sex and am sometimes careless about which sexual advances I accept”

“Sexual predator” on the other hand indicates the use of force or coercion in order to initiate sexual contact, the use of professional or financial pressure to obtain sex, unwanted sexual behavior directed at folks that don’t want it, etc.

The wording in this article kind of seems like he got canceled for being too cool and getting laid too much, which is what he meant to say but accidentally wrote “shitty, creepy sexual predator”(0) in his apology instead. What a typo!

0 https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2020/06/noah-bradley-admi...

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by tester756 » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #11

I think the biggest problem with Twitter is that we can’t determine a denominator. Twitter knows, but we don’t know. 100 people tweeting about how this guy is bad might be indicative of a general consensus or might just be 100 people out of a billion Twitter users. People then interpret it as general consensus and pile on. We know the numerator but since we don’t know the denominator of people who didn’t comment, or…

Indeed.

Nowadays small groups of coordinated people can cause a lot of chaos in internet.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by chickenpotpie » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #174

chickenpotpie wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand your comment. He was cancelled over actions IRL. Whether he had a Twitter or not, other people do and they know his name and where he works.

He was cancelled because he wrote a public apology on Twitter and that's how people found out about him. Twitter is completely to blame here - maybe along with being so naive to think that writing an apology on Twitter is a good idea.

I think there’s a bit of selection bias here. There’s no evidence he wouldn’t have been fired for his actions if he didn’t publicly apologize. Many people are fired for the same actions, we just don’t hear about it.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by bigbillheck » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:12 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #11

I think the biggest problem with Twitter is that we can’t determine a denominator. Twitter knows, but we don’t know. 100 people tweeting about how this guy is bad might be indicative of a general consensus or might just be 100 people out of a billion Twitter users. People then interpret it as general consensus and pile on. We know the numerator but since we don’t know the denominator of people who didn’t comment, or…

> but we don’t know

In this case, he admitted to being a sexual predator.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by systemvoltage » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:12 PM UTC

3grdlurker wrote: post #181

We talk about cancel culture like it’s a new horrible thing that’s developed only recently but I don’t see it that way. The internet definitely amplifies the effects, but unkindness begets unkindness, and the consequences or the social cost of one’s unkindness will always catch up to an individual at some point. That said, I draw a line at defamation. When someone is accusing someone online of having committed a crim…

If you read the article, even before anything gets to court, their life/career is destroyed because of this mob.

Proving/disproving isn’t even on the table. This is an irrational mob gaining moral superiority over others.