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Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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I think this is very problematic.

Let's say police claims you did something with only the chat log as an evidence and they run the chat software. Then they could very well have just faked it, because they have a high incentive to do so.

If the messages were on a third party platform you would at least have a neutral third party involved.

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post #70

What we've learned is only what was in Austrlia's piece of the cake, given they started their day already. New Zeland had theirs already, too. I imagine thousands of arrests are still happening worldwide and several press conferences are going to be held today. Looking at the seal of the operation ( https://www.anom.io/trojan_shield_seal.jpg ), following countries participated in the operation: Canada, Australia, US,…

Europol press conference is available for playback now at https://youtu.be/e443mE8l-_0 There is another press conference at 09:00 PDT too (FBI I believe). Side note: Scotland is recognised separately from the UK in the list of participating countries. ;)

The comments on the video of the people who call this operation communist and so forth are infuriating, i must say.

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post #191

I think this is very problematic. Let's say police claims you did something with only the chat log as an evidence and they run the chat software. Then they could very well have just faked it, because they have a high incentive to do so. If the messages were on a third party platform you would at least have a neutral third party involved.

I wonder how the police linked the devices to real world identities, the exact procedures would be interesting to know.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not without notice of the company Oh? The reports I read were that they could compel an individual to do something and not tell their employer.

The reports you read were likely based on commentary from techies who have no understanding about law, plus a handful of lawyers involved with digital rights organisations that have an incentive to play up the significance of the legislation a bit / talk about worst-case scenarios, worst possible interpretations of a dangerous law and the broadest possible interpretation of who constitutes a "designated communication…

Why would such a law target an employee, when as you claim, it targets the employer indirectly too?

Why not leave it at the employer? Just because won't cut it.

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post #182

I've been reading a lot about these "encrypted phones recently". What really shocks me is how in the last years police has been going after operators of such services under the premise that they would help criminals. - Sky ECC (Shutdown, owner is facing criminal charges) - Phantom Secure (Shutdown and owner got 9 years in prison) - Encrochat ("Hacked" by french police) So it seems like those "Encrypted phones" were v…

> Talk about a fake huge drug deliveries or an imminent mass shooting to verify if the network has been compromised

Surprised this wasn't done more. It's the classic tactic you see in the movies: give false intel to the suspected mole and see if they snitch on you.

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post #157
post #43

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation is covering it in more detail than the Reuters article, including some of the mechanics of how it was pulled off: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/fbi-afp-underworld-cr... Apparently it revolved around duping Hakan Ayik, one of Australia's most wanted drug dealers now operating as an international kingpin from Turkey, to trust the app and recommend it to his associates. I…

You have to respect this type of policing approach, the ironey is just delicious when you consider: 1) They socialy engineered their target just like scammers would 2) They got the target to install and trust some 3rd party app they supplied 3) Then the victim pyramid pushed the scam app onto others. We often read (1) and (2) all the time with various scams from call centres, now the law has used that approach agains…

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're drawing an extremely long bow on this.

Qantas was just implicated as being corrupted from within, complaining that no one had told them who or what corruption until the day before this was announced. There isn’t much of a stretch of the imagination required to see that there is a deep rabbit hole that just got filled with cement.

I was thinking about that same story when I saw the mention of “trusted insiders”

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post #182

I've been reading a lot about these "encrypted phones recently". What really shocks me is how in the last years police has been going after operators of such services under the premise that they would help criminals. - Sky ECC (Shutdown, owner is facing criminal charges) - Phantom Secure (Shutdown and owner got 9 years in prison) - Encrochat ("Hacked" by french police) So it seems like those "Encrypted phones" were v…

> I am pretty sure police has no choice other than to act in such a situation.

if the crying wolf method worked, terrorists would have a much easier time executing their plots.

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post #182

I've been reading a lot about these "encrypted phones recently". What really shocks me is how in the last years police has been going after operators of such services under the premise that they would help criminals. - Sky ECC (Shutdown, owner is facing criminal charges) - Phantom Secure (Shutdown and owner got 9 years in prison) - Encrochat ("Hacked" by french police) So it seems like those "Encrypted phones" were v…

It s not that they were so effective that police forces got scared of them, it's that the ratio criminals vs normal users is so high that it's a no brainer to spend a few millions on hacking/infiltrating them to collect a huge reward.

Whatsapp or Telegram which your grandma uses would be very low reward compared to amount of conversations to parse.

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's plenty of datacenter operators in Russia that will take your money. Wouldn't they have some uncomfortable questions to answer when Putin finds out they've been cooperating with the Feds?

Presumably the feds wouldn't say who they were and would pose as common criminals, because they wouldn't have any reason to suppose that the datacenter operator would keep quiet if they were open about their identity.

But yours assumes that Russia doesn't do counter-intel and wouldn't be looking for exactly these kinds of infiltrations. If it is obvious to us that these things would be targets, I'm pretty sure it is obvious to Russian intelligence services.
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