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Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> the user can breathe a sigh of relief as their location cannot be shared with nearby devices unless the app explicitly states it — which most users will unanimously deny. If Facebook simply have their app say it won't work without accepting this, then I very, very much doubt that anything but a miniscule number of people would be uninstalling the app.

Under GDPR they cannot do this in Europe. You're only allowed to deny the user the experience of the app if the basic service cannot be met without collecting the user's data (i.e. location data for a turn-by-turn direction app)

While doing that anyway would be an egregious breach of GDPR I wouldn’t put it past Facebook to do it. They could release the update that prompts users to accept the tracking with the threat of being denied service, maybe pay a fine for breaching the GDPR regulations, take some time to ‘fix’ the issue and push out a new update after enough people have accepted to make it worth their while. I know it’s much more complicated than that but considering how much trouble people apparently have trying to leverage the data retrieval or removal requests under the GDPR[0] it looks like they think they’re above the law and are willing to make an effort to avoid complying with it. I wonder how far they’re willing to push it.

[0] https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

> Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. > Makes me very wary even of dumbphones If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things.

>If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things.

Last time I checked in with the Librem project, the phone was completely unusable as a phone because the power management and in particular the sleep mode wasn't working properly. Sometimes the phone would wake up from sleep, and since the power management was buggy it would blow through the entire battery charge in an hour.

So essentially you'd need a backup phone for your Librem 5 because you never know if it'll be dead when you need to call 911.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

There's a reason everybody wants you to install their app instead of just using their website, there's much more opportunity of tracking.

There's a reason that they're cranking up lawsuits and rhetoric against the Apple "monopoly" on app stores, too.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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To hurt you. The reason is to hurt you and it's unfortunate that we're in denial about it.

> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

> Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual

The Mercer family didn't personally want to kill, imprison, or cripple a bunch of people, but that's certainly what they achieved with their opiod business.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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The hyperbole against adtech on hackernews is insane. I swear most people here think its the biggest problem that the world faces.

I mean, it arguably drives the out-of-control materialism that is currently devastating the environment. Not sure it’s hyperbole.

> I mean, it arguably drives the out-of-control materialism that is currently devastating the environment.

No, that's Bitcoin mining.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Yeah, Microsoft had an exceptional OS that was competitive to iOS (and much better than Android) on its foundations and APIs. It had everything needed to succeed and get a big chunk of the market, except for a clear leadership. Now, here we are, with extremely powerful Android phones that do little because they don't have a solid software foundation with which to build good software, an iOS has all the high-quality s…

We just retired a Lumia 950 XL in my household. It's an all around better experience than Android in my experience, but there wasn't much point in continuing to push the boulder up the hill. And I liked the ability to pop in a micro SD card, which Apple doesn't support. From my vantage point, Google did everything it could to kill off Windows phone. There was the big spat over YouTube, where Google wouldn't write a n…

> We just retired a Lumia 950 XL in my household.

Man, that's a lot of commitment! I gave up when an app I was using for work ended WP8 support and I updated my Lumia 640 to WM10 and wasn't happy with it (Mobile Edge is really terrible, but I already complained), I could give up that app and go back to WP8, but I wasn't willing to live with the notification center bugs in WP8 that were actually fixed in WM10. I still miss live tiles, and the janky photo uploader app I wrote. :(

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

My data is worth money, that's why they want it. If they take it from me without permission, how is that not stealing? And then isn't stealing obviously hurting me? Just because you don't know how much your data is worth, and may not even know the crime happened, doesn't make it not a crime or not harmful. Consider voyeurs who take upskirt photos. Even though the victim may never know that data was stolen, it's unden…

> My data is worth money, that's why they want it. If they take it from me without permission, how is that not stealing?

Because it’s not actually yours and you didn’t create it. It’s about you which is a critical difference.

If you connect to a web server and it records a standard access log of a timestamp that it received a request from a given IP address, that’s data 100% generated by the server. That’s not “your data” any more than a recording from a surveillance camera at a gas station you frequent is “your video”.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

The hyperbole against adtech on hackernews is insane. I swear most people here think its the biggest problem that the world faces.

A third of HN works for adtech.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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"Facebook _could_ still fingerprint users using BlueTooth" This article's title and narrative makes it sound like Facebook is using bluetooth fingerprinting to geolocate users against their wishes, and that Android's new permission will end that. However reading the text carefully it never actually claims Facebook is currently doing that. Are they or not? Is this article a hypothetical? That seems very disingenuous b…

My hunch is that the could language is couching since it can be hard to know for certain of Facebook is storing the data or just doing something else. But I think the implication is that they at least were looking at it when they weren't supposed to be

If the author had a smoking gun, he/she would have put it in the lede. Parent is right, this is disingenuous.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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To the extent that the individual and the marketer's interests are not aligned, the harm is borne entirely by the individual. It doesn't matter if the intention is to harm the individual; a blatant disregard for their interests accomplishes the same thing at scale. Not caring about what occurs to the individual means that systemically decisions will be made at their detriment. Get put in a filter bubble? Have your go…

>> The reason is to hurt you and it's unfortunate that we're in denial about it. > To the extent that the individual and the marketer's interests are not aligned, the harm is borne entirely by the individual. It doesn't matter if the intention is to harm the individual Of course it does. That's the claim . Don't bring up tangential subjects and then try to associate them as if it's a rephrasing.

GP is saying disregard for the population's interests (plural "you") is equivalent to intending to harm many individual "you"s.
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