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Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by smoldesu »

whynotminot wrote: post #166
smoldesu wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I actually really dislike the material build of the Apple watch. The screen is designed to expose as much of the surface area as possible to scuffs and scratches, while the body of the watch feels larger than any other smartwatch I've used. The Apple Watch got…

> I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I don't disagree that the lead is in software. I'm saying it's also in Hardware too. You're making comparisons to the Apple Watch 3--that came out more than three and a half years ago. It's not helping your point that you feel the hardware for your android w…

I mean, I did voice my gripes about the hardware of the Apple Watch in my comment. You can't expect me to be surprised/offended/owned when you've willfully ignored my argument too.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by smoldesu »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #183
smoldesu wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I actually really dislike the material build of the Apple watch. The screen is designed to expose as much of the surface area as possible to scuffs and scratches, while the body of the watch feels larger than any other smartwatch I've used. The Apple Watch got…

> Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. It’s their lead in hardware that makes that software possible.

I mean, that's never been true. Hell, MacOS runs fine on pretty much any computer, as evidenced by the cakewalk that is the modern Hackintosh. In the Intel era, Macs consistently lost outright price-to-performance battles with equivalent PCs, and the same goes for the PowerPC era.

Instead of arguing with you though, I'll propose an amendment to your phrase: "Apple's lead in software makes their hardware profitable."

Does that contextualize things for you?

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by whynotminot »

smoldesu wrote: post #192
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. It’s their lead in hardware that makes that software possible.

I mean, that's never been true. Hell, MacOS runs fine on pretty much any computer, as evidenced by the cakewalk that is the modern Hackintosh. In the Intel era, Macs consistently lost outright price-to-performance battles with equivalent PCs, and the same goes for the PowerPC era. Instead of arguing with you though, I'll propose an amendment to your phrase: "Apple's lead in software makes their hardware profitable."…

Why do you keep talking about macOS in an Apple Watch thread?

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by smoldesu »

whynotminot wrote: post #193
smoldesu wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's never been true. Hell, MacOS runs fine on pretty much any computer, as evidenced by the cakewalk that is the modern Hackintosh. In the Intel era, Macs consistently lost outright price-to-performance battles with equivalent PCs, and the same goes for the PowerPC era. Instead of arguing with you though, I'll propose an amendment to your phrase: "Apple's lead in software makes their hardware profitable."…

Why do you keep talking about macOS in an Apple Watch thread?

Because you expanded the scope to "Apple's software", which includes MacOS. You could have said "Apple Watch hardware drives WatchOS" if you wanted to talk about the Apple Watch, but it sounded to me like you were addressing Apple, not their watch.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by whynotminot »

smoldesu wrote: post #194
whynotminot wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you keep talking about macOS in an Apple Watch thread?

Because you expanded the scope to "Apple's software", which includes MacOS. You could have said "Apple Watch hardware drives WatchOS" if you wanted to talk about the Apple Watch, but it sounded to me like you were addressing Apple, not their watch.

You're grasping. I've been very clearly talking about the Apple Watch this entire time. Read my posts. You're the one going down blue bubble rabbit holes.

Though since you're adamant on expanding the scope here, I do believe Apple Silicon has long been driving their software advantage in not just the Watch, but all their mobile offerings. And now going forward, with the arrival of the M1, we're starting to see similar performance and battery life advantages for the Mac.

Seems to me like you're just looking for opportunities to rail about Apple in general. Everyone needs a way to blow off steam, you do you brother.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by canadianfella »

sQL_inject wrote: post #100
least wrote: post #17

I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

I'm have to sort of disagree, not a decade but easily half a decade lead. Source: I worked in this space years ago with what was, at the time, the leader in the space, and remember how many of my coworkers laughed at the Apple Watch unveil. Now Apple is the one laughing with a girthy, multibillion dollar schadenfreude. Apple has leads in silicon and cross-platform integration which is inarguably led to a better user…

> Apple has orders of magnitude greater scale through their supply chain

Than... Google? Samsung? Do you know what orders of magnitude means?

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by amatecha »

usaphp wrote: post #126
amatecha wrote: post #31

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I mean, sure the Apple Watch is "years ahead". It not only came out two years later, but is developed by one of the most wealthy consumer tech/software companies in the world. Pebble was acquired by FitBit right around the time the second iteration of the Apple Watch was out, so there's really not much point in comparing the two in terms of technology. Despite Apple Watch's merits over the Pebble, I still miss my Peb…

> can switch the currently-playing song with my watch without having to look at it Why would you need to look at your watch? If you are listening to music on your Apple Watch - you are probably using headphones, all of which have next/prev buttons or gestures.

driving in my car and listening to music playing from my phone via bluetooth :)

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by coldtea »

user-the-name wrote: post #174
smoldesu wrote: post #160

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> Apple has leads in silicon and cross-platform integration I stopped reading after this part.

Both are simple, factual and true statements? Why does that make you stop reading?

Bias

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Post by coldtea »

smoldesu wrote: post #163
whynotminot wrote: post #123

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> silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart watch category. What? This doesn't even make sense. This is by far the most important lead Apple has. Their ability to put performant and efficient chips into tiny devices is why they have such a software edge. Other Android wearables suck because the underlying hardware is not able to power the experience without signifi…

I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I actually really dislike the material build of the Apple watch. The screen is designed to expose as much of the surface area as possible to scuffs and scratches, while the body of the watch feels larger than any other smartwatch I've used. The Apple Watch got…

>The screen is designed to expose as much of the surface area as possible to scuffs and scratches, while the body of the watch feels larger than any other smartwatch I've used. The Apple Watch got hotter than the Fossil, somehow, and the sensor bump is also much more pronounced.

None of those are about the build quality and even less about the hardware capabilities.

To me it sounds more about a "pea under the mattress" list of complains.

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