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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by csharptwdec19 »

haroldl wrote: post #112

There is no picture of the entry level model; it says "coming soon". Since the Ford F-150 usually costs a lot to upgrade to 4 full-size doors and a navigation computer, I'm wondering if that will be the case here too. Near the bottom of the page it looks like you have to upgrade two levels to the "Lariat" configuration to get that 15.5 inch touchscreen.

The claims I saw in all of the regurgitated Press Releases seemed to indicate they are going to do 4 doors as standard on the Lightning, at least for now.

I'm not sure how much of that is streamlining production versus design (i.e. fitting all the batteries in place may more or less necessitate that specific body style)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ubermonkey »

seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

There's no real danger of FORD, of all companies, doing something usable or well-designed here.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by GongOfFour »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

They said the same about twin turbos in their trucks, but they got used to it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by VBprogrammer »

I notice they make a huge deal about the towing capacity but realistically what is the range of this going to be hooked up to a 10,000lb / 5000kg trailer? Maybe if it's lucky a little over 100 miles? Maybe useful for some utility use cases but practically useless for the recreational vehicle market.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by shireboy »

I'm a potential customer on this. I'm in the market for a vehicle, need a pickup and towing (no really). My hesitance still is charge time on trips. If I'm taking my kids camping or something, I really don't want to add one or more hours to the trip. IMO for this sort of thing to really gain acceptance mainstream, we need 5 minute charge times and battery lifetimes on par with ICE engine lifetimes (300-500k miles).

I feel like the industry is getting really close, and this is a solid effort that puts Tesla on notice, but not _quite_ there in terms of mass acceptance.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by a2tech »

toast0 wrote: post #153
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Fuel efficiency standards killed the small truck. In the turn of the century EV era, Ford had an electric Ranger which was built on the much smaller (at the time) Ranger platform. But you can't make an ICE small truck that meets the 200x updated CAFE standards, so the small trucks either disapeared (S10) or got bigger (toyota small trucks), or got bigger then disappeared and later reappeared still big (Ranger). An EV…

I have a few friends that are engineers in the auto companies. Its kind of amazing how many negative impacts the CAFE standards had--not on purpose (hopefully), but through unintended consequences. Apparently the Nissan Leaf for example was strictly manufactured to generate credits/offset the environmental impact of the Nissan truck and van line that could not be adjusted to meet the CAFE standards.

My dad had a Ranger in 97 that was just about the perfect truck for day-to-day use. It fit 2 adults comfortably, had a tiny 4 cylinder engine, got great gas milage, and could be used to pull a small trailer. He was crushed when Ford got rid of the Ranger. And what they've released now is basically the size of the old F-150 from the 90s

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jrsj »

woah wrote: post #172
voidfunc wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't somebody think of the children please?!? If you get hit by any vehicle you're going to have a bad time. This vehicle is not an exception.

You are contending that there is no difference in pedestrian fatalities between vehicles? And also that it isn’t harder to see children in an unnecessarily tall vehicle?

Is a truck an unnecessarily tall vehicle or is replacing sedans with taller hatchbacks we pretend are SUVs an unnecessarily tall vehicle? Because one is tall for a reason and the other is tall purely due to consumer preference.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bryanlarsen »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

To some people machismo means strength, to others machismo means self-reliance. The 11 power outlets and the ability to power your house will really appeal to them.

If the world turns Mad Max, someone with an electric truck and a few solar panels won't have to worry about the gasoline gangs.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by loeg »

bb123 wrote: post #97
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

I agree with the rest, but I'm pretty skeptical of this claim:

> Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will.

Do you (or anyone) have order-of-magnitude estimates for either/both of these figures? I mean, electrification in general is great, but the F150 cannot take credit for all of it. I am interested in reduced pollution deaths/QALYs that can be attributed to F150 electrification specifically -- that's the topic of this article and thread.

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