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China lands rover on Mars

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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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What I find very exciting and something that is totally lacking from any news articles and discussions I have seen outside space-geek circles is that China is actually very much open to cooperate with other agencies. The China Russia plan of a base on the moon is open to partners whom would like to join: International Lunar Research Station.

https://spacenews.com/china-russia-open-moon-base-project-to...

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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"Hey NASA, can I copy your homework"? "uhhh..." "It's okay, I'll just change it up a little bit so it doesn't look like a 1:1 copy of Spirit and Opportunity" https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-tianwen-1-enters-mars-orbit/a-5... More seriously, there's probably only so many valid 6-wheeled rocker bogey suspension type rover designs that are possible, but the resemblance is uncanny. NASA also likely spent a lot of time study…

Please don't lead with flamebait. You couldn't do anything more destructive to a thread like this. You're far from the only one doing it, but it's dismaying to see from such an established account. Please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It wasn't intended to flame anything, the first part was supposed to be humorous, the ending part clearly says there's historical good and rational reasons to use a proven design.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

#193

It makes me concerned thinking about what kind of biological contamination this rover might have brought to Mars that may seriously hamper the search for signs of past native life. JPL is very forthcoming about their cleanliness procedures, China not so much. And they don’t exactly have a great track record in this respect.

China doesn't have any worse (or better) reputation than JPL in cleaning their crafts. This is pure speculation. If anything the US RU space race were much more likely to have spread bugs than modern crafts.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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For me what has always been amazingly fascinating about all of these missions (even more so for the Voyager missions) is to be able to work with so much latency! In today's world, where we are used to working with millisecond latencies across thousands of kilometers, just to be able to do something with latency of minutes to tens of hours, boggles my mind! Amazing accomplishment of humankind!

When the Voyager missions were launched most of the world didn't have international calling. So making a call from lets say Somalia to the US, involved finding a post office with the only international line in town and "booking" a call. Which meant you had to walk over and write down your name (and if you were lucky enough to have a local landline your 4 digit phone number) in a ledger and then walk back home to sit…

When the voyager was launched, telegram was the dominant mode of long distance communication in my country.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All things considered, 90 days is pretty good for how harsh of an environment Mars can be. Also, there are dozens of ways to make the mission last longer but no ways of accomplishing that without adding more weight.

This makes me think about the way we define “harsh”. What’s actually so harsh about Mars? Let’s imagine some alien civilization tries to send a probe to Earth, they’d be saying things like: “Dude, that atmosphere is gonna burn our shit up before it even touches ground, if we’re not careful.” “Holy shit, what are these huge animals with long noses and big ears? They’re gonna destroy our probe if they walk over it.” “L…

Extreme temperature change during night and day. You don't know the quality of the ground dust and its effect on your machines. It's extreme because of lots of unknowns.

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To the (flagged) comments about China stealing research: I’ll abstract from lack of evidence. Just stealing isn’t enough. Russia, I believe, ended up admitting stealing research on the Space Shuttle, and despite that their own project never really materialised. Even. You steal, that lets you catch up, not overtake. So even if China is helping themselves (again, I don’t know), they still have to innovate and improve.…

And of course USA had considerable influx of German manpower and know-how some of it very directly went into their space program.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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For me what has always been amazingly fascinating about all of these missions (even more so for the Voyager missions) is to be able to work with so much latency! In today's world, where we are used to working with millisecond latencies across thousands of kilometers, just to be able to do something with latency of minutes to tens of hours, boggles my mind! Amazing accomplishment of humankind!

When the Voyager missions were launched most of the world didn't have international calling. So making a call from lets say Somalia to the US, involved finding a post office with the only international line in town and "booking" a call. Which meant you had to walk over and write down your name (and if you were lucky enough to have a local landline your 4 digit phone number) in a ledger and then walk back home to sit…

Spanish colonies heard months after the event that the Spanish king(s) had abdicated. There were peoples fighting in the name of kings that didn't exist anymore...

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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I'm curious, their landing vehicle seems to have less moving parts than the respective US rovers that use a complex sky-crane. Is there a particular benefit to using the sky-crane?

The parachute + inflatable bouncy ball landing vehicle worked for the spirit and opportunity rovers. I recall seeing something from NASA that the spirit size landing was about the maximum size that was viable for that. They were explaining why re using the same design for the new much larger RTG powered rovers would not be possible.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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To the (flagged) comments about China stealing research: I’ll abstract from lack of evidence. Just stealing isn’t enough. Russia, I believe, ended up admitting stealing research on the Space Shuttle, and despite that their own project never really materialised. Even. You steal, that lets you catch up, not overtake. So even if China is helping themselves (again, I don’t know), they still have to innovate and improve.…

In its own right I find it a fairly major technical achievement that the first and only orbital flight of buran was unmanned, landing on a runway with no human at the controls. That's one thing the US never did with the shuttle.
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