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Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Usually when I talk to people about the “confusing threads” in email, it turns out that they are using a broken client like Gmail. Threading in email is great. Your email client is broken and not respecting the protocol: https://lwn.net/Articles/837960/

> not respecting the protocol Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field. Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and "References:" fields as appropriate, as described below. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.4 For the uninitiated, SHOULD denotes the following in RFCs: This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there may exist valid reasons in par…

> Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.

Most MTAs, in my experience, will add a Message-ID header to a message even if the client did not add one to the original message it sent to the MTA.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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post #5

I don't think this kind of Luddism is useful. It's purported by the same kinds of people that, upon seeing a new SaaS, quickly retort: "couldn't you just do that with Google Docs/Word/pen and paper?" Not to mention that email absolutely sucks . The confusing threads, the forwarding, the constant CC'ing, someone making it or not making it into a list, the spam. It's absolute garbage. In fact, people have been seeking…

Can't agree more Email works O.K for one-way communication (e.g. mailing lists or bill notification). Maybe sometimes infrequent one on one communcation When its comes to having a converstation, particularly with multiple people, I can't think of anything worse. I always dread tracking down information when I have to dig into achived mailing lists

> When its comes to having a converstation, particularly with multiple people, I can't think of anything worse. I always dread tracking down information when I have to dig into achived mailing lists

This is one aspect where newsgroups do better than email. But, unlike email, you need to establish peering arrangements with other NNTP servers (if you run your own). Wtih email, the MTA can rely on DNS MX records to route the message to the correct server.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Can't agree more Email works O.K for one-way communication (e.g. mailing lists or bill notification). Maybe sometimes infrequent one on one communcation When its comes to having a converstation, particularly with multiple people, I can't think of anything worse. I always dread tracking down information when I have to dig into achived mailing lists

Thats funny, because I hate facebook message threads because it is effectively impossible to have a conversation there because everything overlaps and I can't take the time to write something clear and in multiple paragraphs. Honestly at this point I wonder if the right solution is a private usenet server: just like email it is not instant but async, unlike email it is spilt into topics better and you can have new pe…

> I hate facebook message threads because it is effectively impossible to have a conversation there because everything overlaps and I can't take the time to write something clear and in multiple paragraphs.

I've actually adopted some email like conventions when participating in Facebook comment threads. When I click the reply button, it will fill in the name of the author of the comment I'm replying to. I then will append "wrote:" to that line, add a line break, type a > character, and then paste the part of the comment they wrote that I plan to respond to. It almost looks like a quoted email message :)

> I wonder if the right solution is a private usenet server: just like email it is not instant but async, unlike email it is spilt into topics better and you can have new people catch up on threads easily.

With a private NNTP server, you will still need to set up accounts for others to use it. Though if multiple people run their own servers and set up the peering arrangements between then, then it could work without having to set up accounts fro multiple people.

But, the flexibility one can get with email in terms of organizing messages into different folders is lost with NNTP, since that organization is determined by the configuration on the server itself.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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Yes, that's what I was thinking of. What does it do wrong? I was actually thinking of signing up, but it is too expensive.

I considered it two, here are the things I think it gets wrong: * Can't use your own domain * Have to use their client * Can't add your old email The last one is a deal breaker. I have 10+ years of email that I still want to be able to search.

As of a few weeks ago, you can use custom domains with Hey.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I’d be interested to hear what good email tools look like if you have a chance to post some examples.

https://notmuchmail.org/ https://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html https://www.gnus.org/

Though for those used to a GUI, Thunderbird works reasonably well for threading, quoting conventions, and support for plain text mail. It's also cross platform (at least for the desktop environment).

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I love email, it's great for long letters and so. That said, I have trouble (further) adopting and especially recommending a fundamentally insecure and flawed medium like email in 2021 when clearly technically superior channels of communication exist. Signal, Matrix etc are not 1:1 replacements for email at all, but when it comes down to it, they are simpler and more secure.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

#197
Evernote uses a custom email address to route whatever media, link or text you want to send, to the specific notebook you select in your email subject. This is one of my favorite uses of email.

You are given a unique email address that is linked to your account and defaults to your default notebook.

The formatting of the email subject lets you choose any notebook as the destination for your email. You can also create a new notebook by simply adding a new notebook name after the "@" symbol.

You can add in hashtags to the email subject, after @notebook. These tags are included in the note and immediately searchable.

Simply add #planning or whatever existing tag you find useful. You can also create a brand new tag straight from email.

Using “!” then the full date and you can activate reminders.

Does anyone have any other apps or workflows that use this type of content-addressing?

Is that an accurate description for what this is? a content addressable macro?

I'd love it if Roam had a similar feature for emailing content into a specific block.

I found this short blog post that outlines this email feature if anyone is interested in checking it out :

https://link.medium.com/kiGPjqWSbgb

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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post #24

I want to point out something from one of the articles which is so far from the truth that it somewhat undercuts the authors credibility: > For instance, if WhatsApp goes down, not only can you not send/receive messages, you won’t be able to see your old ones, and no one else on your network will be able to either. You could argue that a single email provider has the same effect, but you’d be wrong. If Gmail goes dow…

> Obviously you will be able to see all your WhatsApp messages when WhatsApp goes down. The same is true for Facebook Messenger and many other applications, because everything is saved locally. It's even possible to send WhatsApp messages while being offline which will then be delivered later on.

I wonder how long this has been the case. My experience in the past is that these applications are not usable without a stable internet connection. That said, email clients have a concept of an outbox where messages that were sent are placed until an internet connecton is established. At that point, those messages are actually sent to their recipients.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I don't think this kind of Luddism is useful. It's purported by the same kinds of people that, upon seeing a new SaaS, quickly retort: "couldn't you just do that with Google Docs/Word/pen and paper?" Not to mention that email absolutely sucks . The confusing threads, the forwarding, the constant CC'ing, someone making it or not making it into a list, the spam. It's absolute garbage. In fact, people have been seeking…

Sometimes I get a glimpse of my wife's email account ... And it is no surprise she doesn't use email.

She gets dozens of emails a day. None of them are spam exactly. Every single website you've ever signed up for your in your life sends out email "for engagement purposes". Drips, reminders, flash sales, weekly roundups.

A dozen different job boards from when she was looking for work a few years ago. Several dozen shopping websites. Four or five pregnancy apps. And more and more and more.

You could argue that normal, non-technical people should know better. That they should be vigorously jumping through hoops to cancel all those email notifications from services they no longer use.

Don't they know there's fine print (in light gray text!) at the bottom telling you how to unsubscribe? Don't they know there's a tiny button in GMail that will (sometimes) unsubscribe for you?

But I expect that my wife's email is like a lot of people's. It is almost entirely impossible to find any signal among all the noise in it.

Re: Just Use Email – How to Use Email for Everything

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I'd disagree. E-Mail is useful for invoices, customer contact, first point of contact or 2nd point of contact if someone tried to reach out per Facebook etc. and a serious business relation needs to be formed. However at work we switched to Slack a while back and it was such a relieve! Trying to organize projects per mail was just horrible. Especially when you got non technical staff involved that doesn't correctly f…

One aspect I miss with Slack/Teams/IM is a good ability to postpone stuff. For example, I receive an e-mail I know I need to do something in 1-4 months. So I keep that mail in my inbox and as long as something is in the inbox, there is some work pending/due.

I have not yet found a good way to do that in Slack (reliably) and not relying on another tool.

E-Mail in that way is just great as a message is just a text file. You can put it wherever you want and reorganize it the way you want.

Try to attach a slack conversation to an issue tracking system. Won‘t work. Do it with e-mail: it‘s just a text file.

Try to post-pone stuff or organize information in folders. Won‘t work. Do it with e-mail, hell I can even move messages from one account to another.

My point is: Slack will never replace e-mail, it is just an extension of ways we communicate. And that‘s is biggest advantage and disadvantage: it‘s a tool that makes communication sometimes easier, but is‘s also another tool I need to regularly check besides all other communication tools I already have.

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