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What nobody says about startup moms

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Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#191
Doesn't everyone say this about startups and kids for moms and dads?

Startups take a lot of time. As much as you can give. So do kids.

Time is measured out and cannot be consumed all at once for your startup or kids.

We can't expect people with kids to succeed in the startup world without kids and parents losing out.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#192

Honestly, the real question in all of this is, Why have kids if you're not going to spend time with them and raise them while they're growing up? We already have too many people on the planet, yet it seems there are people who would rather hire nannies, to watch the kids while they both parents are workaholics. I guess I don't see the point.

The point is so people stop asking why you don’t have kids yet

Which is basically code for they'd consider you two levels higher status if you had.

We really need to get rid of this mindset, unless we are ok with the occasional population cull by war (we aren't, right?)

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#193
post #147

Kids are a distraction to intense work. At the same time, becoming a parent is a potential growth experience that is unrivaled and brings value. Healthy kids are a value to society. Non-parents benefit from a society full of healthy children. Parents should be rewarded--or at least equally as compensated--with pay and/or status that tracks with the successes those unburdened with parenting achieve.

> Kids are a distraction to intense work. For what it's worth, I've done my most intense productive work after having children.

Same for me due to the growth I talked about, but many people report not being able to do as much work as they want to while parenting.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#194
post #147

Kids are a distraction to intense work. At the same time, becoming a parent is a potential growth experience that is unrivaled and brings value. Healthy kids are a value to society. Non-parents benefit from a society full of healthy children. Parents should be rewarded--or at least equally as compensated--with pay and/or status that tracks with the successes those unburdened with parenting achieve.

Most people have kids because they see it as a positive personal trade off (when you are older and you have a family that will come to visit you for example). Most people are not thinking about the benefits to society when they decide to have kids.

Well, it certainly may be a net positive for the individual parent, but it’s no doubt a service to society. I’d suspected your opinion was out there, but it’s still disheartening to have proof.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#195
post #147

Kids are a distraction to intense work. At the same time, becoming a parent is a potential growth experience that is unrivaled and brings value. Healthy kids are a value to society. Non-parents benefit from a society full of healthy children. Parents should be rewarded--or at least equally as compensated--with pay and/or status that tracks with the successes those unburdened with parenting achieve.

Most people have kids because they see it as a positive personal trade off (when you are older and you have a family that will come to visit you for example). Most people are not thinking about the benefits to society when they decide to have kids.

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Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#196
Who doesn't want twice as much time? I wish I didn't have to sleep sometimes. But if my wish came true I still wouldn't have enough time. Alas, we all have to decide what to spend our time on and, therefore, what not to spend our time on.

Nowadays everyone in society is lured into higher education and paid work. They naturally grow their lifestyles to fit the dual income and things are looking good. Then all of a sudden they're running out of time to reproduce but now nobody has any time to dedicate to it.

Where did it all go wrong? Women are trading husbands for bosses. Seeking freedom as a gear in the corporate machine, working to line the pockets of billionaires instead of cleaning their own houses, cooking their own food and, yes, raising their own children.

Expect more and more women to come forward as they realise that choosing to be a wage slave probably wasn't the best idea after all.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#197

> Everyone knows kids consume your time. But what people without kids may not realize is the extent to which people with kids want their time to be consumed by them. This is one of the hardest parts of parenthood to communicate to non-parents: Yes, children demand a lot of time and attention. However, as a parent you actually enjoy spending that time with your children. To the author's point: Different people will wa…

I think a lot of that comes from parents often expressing all the negatives of parenthood rather than the positives. Even the ones who love spending time with their kids, in my experience, talk more about how much attention the kids need, taking them to school, the diaper changes, the crying, and so on. This isn't to say that all parents are like this; I've met some really passionate parents, and my parents relished…

I think a large part of it is that the good things are so hard to describe and the bad things are pretty universally understood.

Trying to describe the way time comes to a complete stop when your infant child gazes into your eyes and you look back and you feel a connection that quite literally can't be put into words, makes it really hard to talk to people about it. On the other hand almost everyone can imagine what it would be like to have to deal with that same infant having an explosive bowel movement that exceeds the capacity of their diaper to contain it. And so, when pressed to talk about something related to child rearing people fall back on the sleepless nights (we've all been tired), the crying, the dirty diapers, etc. Because talking about the good feels like trying to describe falling in love to someone who's never done that before.

With that said, I generally try to catch myself these days when I am unfairly weighing one side of the equation and express what an absolute blessing having kids has been and how much richer they've made my life. I think many (most) people who have kids feel the same.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#198

We can’t expect more women to succeed in the startup world until we’re able to talk honestly about how much harder startups are for those who want to spend a lot of time with their kids. I think the expectation of being able to do both is quite unfair, at least the expectation of being able to do both well. There are many things that aren't compatible with being a cofounder. For example, you're not going to start a s…

My wife went out of town for 5 days and I _tried_ to take care of my 4 kids while working my FT job. I somehow managed to work 3/4 time just barely by working before they woke up and after they went to bed, and was mostly able to keep the kids fed, clean, and semi-entertained. It was not sustainable, not by a long shot, and I'm not a founder or co-founder.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#199
post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is so people stop asking why you don’t have kids yet

Which is basically code for they'd consider you two levels higher status if you had. We really need to get rid of this mindset, unless we are ok with the occasional population cull by war (we aren't, right?)

"... occasional population cull by war ..."

Or a pandemic.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#200

Honestly, the real question in all of this is, Why have kids if you're not going to spend time with them and raise them while they're growing up? We already have too many people on the planet, yet it seems there are people who would rather hire nannies, to watch the kids while they both parents are workaholics. I guess I don't see the point.

The point is so people stop asking why you don’t have kids yet

I don't see why one would actually have a kid just to avoid that question. I don't really see that question come up that much.
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