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Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by o-__-o »

obviouslynotme wrote: post #2

I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…

> . If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufacturer Approved radio

Every bmw, Mercedes Benz, and every luxury car does this today. Millions of them on the road.

And it doesn’t brick the car, just anything in the path of the unapproved device (which guess where your radio sits)

But this is to avoid fake parts from being installed in your car.. so catch 22?

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by rdtwo »

jhanschoo wrote: post #72
Hammershaft wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its interesting that we have created a world where the people who build software are often the most skeptical of and aviodant of the software industry.

I don't think that's absurd as it seems; e.g. a craftsman would avoid IKEA if they could help it.

Ikea is actually not bad. Their materials are cheap but the designs are decent for the price. Compared to comparable items from target or Walmart you typically get a better product. Obviously you aren’t going to get a finely created product out of high end material but in the bottom tier price range they are the best. You would have to pay 2-3x as much to get a minor step up in quality.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by rdtwo »

kumarvvr wrote: post #76
analog31 wrote: post #75

I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I certainly don't want to be held hostage by my car. On the other hand, a pricing model that makes the sale price cheaper and loads more of the profit into optional add-ons is great for me. So long as I can get from A to B, I'm happy with zero options and a cheaper car. My family recently got a new car, and as part of the sale, the dealer activated trial subscriptions for…

The problem with optional add ons is that greed eventually makes even necessary ones optional, or worse, add ons with subscription and remote kill switches. A car is a huge investment for many. It is better to own one outright than rent it out.

Remember when DLC was just house armor? Now it’s the entire game

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by maxerickson »

kqr wrote: post #184
Karsteski wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is a very good argument... I want my car to be as quiet as possible, on terms of the noise it makes and it's soundproofness. That making people harder to hear outside is irrelevant, as I mainly use my eyes to scan the environment for people, not my ears. Also I think we've done enough damage to the world with the (British accent) "what about the children" arguments...

I think this one in particular ticks me off personally because people I meet are all moralistic about me listening to podcasts while bicycling in traffic, telling me I "shouldn't block the sounds of the environment." And I'm left wondering: have these people ever been in a modern car? Just sitting in it blocks out more of the environment than my open-backed earbuds. If I can drive one of those without causing an acci…

Isn't that advice about your own safety?

I see it now where people bellyache about headphones and runners and don't really get it. I don't have the volume jacked up and I know where to look for traffic.

On a bike I don't want headphones just because I'm mixing with so much more traffic and want that awareness.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by phs »

jacquesm wrote: post #160
jakeva wrote: post #155

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My microwave will not end up as a subscription platform. Maybe if I have to buy a microwave some day, but I don't know why I would have to do that. My microwave works fine.

Microwaves don't live forever (especially newer ones). At some point the choices will be: [ ] a connected microwave and [ ] no microwave Just like almost all newer cars now have some kind of wlan connection to the factory built in.

This twelve inch cast iron skillet, on the other hand, will last forever.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by pbronez »

Karsteski wrote: post #164
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #135

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The FTC is considering rulemaking on 'dark patterns' being used to unfairly extract consent, and it wants to hear from you![1] [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2021/04/...

What if that commenter doesn't live in the US..? I find the presumption aggravating

1) Y Combinator is based in the US, and HN is hosted in the US. While the non-US participants are welcome & valuable, It’s reasonable to assume a commenter is from the US unless they specify otherwise.

2) the statement is relevant regardless of your nationality. There’s only a couple big regulators for this kind of thing worldwide, so a movement by any of them is relevant regardless of whether or not you fall under their jurisdiction directly. GDPR is very meaningful to US tech folks, for example.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Post by ergot_vacation »

Hammershaft wrote: post #45
obviouslynotme wrote: post #2

I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…

Its interesting that we have created a world where the people who build software are often the most skeptical of and aviodant of the software industry.

Most large industries are short-term profit-driven, to the detriment or exclusion of all else. The goal thus isn't to provide the best service or product, but to discover the best way to exploit the "customer" (the real customers are whoever owns the company.) Thus, this is probably true in many fields, not just software. People work hard to acquire skill in a field they care about and believe in, and are rewarded by a whole career of using that skill to make sub-standard or even dangerous products because that's what makes their employers the most money.
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