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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by BitwiseFool »

websites2323 wrote: post #130
dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

I'm perfectly fine with getting on-board with USB-C but I don't design the peripherals. The only USB-C product I own is a charging cable to a wireless mouse and the host end is USB-A.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

mort96 wrote: post #146
websites2323 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

They're not "legacy peripherals". Mice and keyboards are far from "legacy", and almost all of them come with USB A cables still. Having to add a flaky USB hub to your desktop just to plug in your keyboard is actually ridiculous. It makes sense on a laptop, but these desktops have _a lot_ of surface area on which they could put a few USB-A ports. EDIT: Though, Apple removing the USB-A ports from everything might be wh…

I don't think "most" mice and keyboards are USB-A: bluetooth peripherals eclipsed wired peripherals ages ago.

Yes, most of the decent new ones charge via USB-C.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by patrickmcnamara »

FPGAhacker wrote: post #173
yunohn wrote: post #60

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MacOS already supports TouchID -> Watch for Unlock. Also for sudo [1]. So this is a good evolution of that! [1] https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/259093/can-touch-i...

I was super happy to see that option for sudo, and it worked great. Until MacOS reverted it. Not sure if I did an update or what, but the change was undone.

It is reset every time MacOS updates. Quite annoying but you can just set it again.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by passivate »

Shadonototro wrote: post #64
Flockster wrote: post #2

Did I see it correctly, that the iMac only comes with 8GB Ram configurations? Doesn't the MacBooks come with an 16GB option?

macOS is not windows that OS and the apps over there are supper efficient it is the same story as iPhone vs Android phones, android always needed 2x more ram/battery than iPhones because the android ecosystem is bloated and slow, just like windows

There is nothing that prevents a developer from writing bad applications for any platform. What you said is also not empirically true. There are many sluggish and resource intensive apps on OSX, Adobe's apps, Chrome, Apples own XCode comes to mind.

I haven't used Android phones but my experience with Apple tells me that the phones get slower with every update.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by izacus »

websites2323 wrote: post #130
dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

Yep, we moved on. It's crazy just how much more pleasant it is to use my 13" Razer laptop, which is for all intents and purposes equivalent in built quality to my previous 13" MacBook Pro... except that the designers had an amazing idea to put 2 Thunderbolt USB-C ports and 2 USB-A ports on it.

No. More. Frigging. Dongles. For anything - you can plug both modern USB-C docks AND keyboards and USB sticks easily. Crazy.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by floatboth »

MrOxiMoron wrote: post #121
vmception wrote: post #81

Can someone explain the 8gb obsession (edit: 16gb is possible, but why not more) ? is there a real limitation with this architecture or are they just making a business decision so they can sell multiple models over 2-3 years instead of creating what the market wants immediately

I don't get it either, max 16gb? I want/need more.

The way they did memory on the M1, they can only use two LPDDR4X chips. DRAM is on package, so they can only physically fit two on their package and presumably they do not have pins that would go off package for more memory channels at all.

Micron and Samsung make 12 Gb LPDDR4X chips, but Apple probably decided that having a 24 Gb option wouldn't be worth it, or would be an ugly number, or couldn't get enough supply, or all of that.

The M1 is for "consumer" tier devices anyway. Wait for M1X or Mwhatever – when they port the larger MBPs to their own silicon, that will have larger memory.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by slantyyz »

websites2323 wrote: post #130
dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

While I'm technical enough to know what to buy (most of the time) as it relates to USB-C, I think it's still a confusing mess for non-techy consumers, who aren't reading the fine print on USB-C related product descriptions when buying stuff.

A lot of USB-A to USB-C data cables sold on Amazon are still only USB 2.0 standard (480 mbps). Not all C to C cables can be used for high watt power delivery, etc. Some cables only charge. And then there's those USB-C and/or Thunderbolt docks whose video ports may or may not work depending on what your PC's capabilities are.

I think the creators of USB-C should have come up with some type of lettering or numbering system to reduce the confusion. At least there would be a chart that "normals" could refer to in terms of whether they're buying the right cable.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by protomyth »

jeffbee wrote: post #149
protomyth wrote: post #119

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Yes, it does or this wouldn't have done a thing https://www.sysorchestra.com/reduce-thermal-throttling-on-yo...

That's on the Air, though. Nobody has been able to thermally modulate performance of the M1 mini, at least not without a heat gun.

The Air has an M1. Let's not say something doesn't happen when it does. We also don't know the exact setup of the iMac in this regard.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by burlesona »

manigandham wrote: post #168
slg wrote: post #138

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The lightness, size, wireless connectivity, and boot speed of this device makes it more likely to move around the house than a traditional desktop or even the recent iMacs. I could certainly imagine scenarios in which someone purchases multiple power cables, plugs them in throughout the house, and then brings the computer from their desk into the kitchen while making dinner or something. That is already a common prac…

Except this doesn't have a battery, touchscreen or keyboard attached. It seems extremely unlikely for someone to do this instead of just getting a laptop or tablet for this price.

I think you'd be surprised. I've seen a few people with iMacs who treat them as portables and move them around a lot, and I kind of get it. It's a size that's big enough to be a nice screen for just about any room, and small and light enough that moving it doesn't feel like a big hassle. Really, having to plug it in is the only drawback, but for a lot of people the laptop always stays plugged in as well, so this isn't a total dealbreaker. The fact that it isn't a touchscreen and you need to move the keyboard and mouse is more of a hassle to that kind of use IMO.
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