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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by HKH2 »

hoka-one-one wrote: post #85
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

It's understandable. He's routinely allowed right-wing radicals such as Abby Martin and Gavin McInnes and Dave Rubin on his show. I personally would stop using Spotify if they started promoting such hateful content. Paradox of tolerance, etc.

If they're what you consider 'right-wing radicals', I have some bad news for you.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ethbr0 »

ziftface wrote: post #168
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Comments like the one you replied to honestly seem kind of silly. The "problem" you're describing is as old as time, it's not some new phenomenon the west bumped into.

People across the world calling you a fascist / communist, with 30 seconds of effort, to their and your 1,000 closest friends, seems like a pretty new phenomenon.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by slg »

Barrin92 wrote: post #155
fareesh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

> Here's a crazy idea, if you don't want your episodes deleted don't sell rights to your intellectual property for 100 million bucks to another party

It is especially weird considering this was basically a foregone conclusion the moment Rogan signed with Spotify. Take a look at the HN comments when the news broke[1].

Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. It didn't take a genius to see those two things were incompatible. I'm not sure there is any convincing argument that Rogan is being mistreated for walking right into this easily predictable situation.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23239304

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dlp211 »

hattmall wrote: post #170
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Removing random episodes offering no reasoning is tyrannical. It being "their platform" is a non-statement as that's the only place they can be tyrants.

How is it tyranny? Under the most liberal definition tyranny is: "cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control."

It certainly is not cruel for any definition of cruel I am familiar with. It certainly isn't arbitrary, Spotify is not doing this on a whim and it isn't taking down all the episodes, it clearly is being very deliberate, though you may disagree with their process. The only one could be unreasonable, but what exactly makes this unreasonable? Again, you may disagree with their reasoning, but it is not an unreasonable position.

Why don't we back off this extreme rhetoric that plagues our conversations today?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by lotsofpulp »

IneffablePigeon wrote: post #52
ohples wrote: post #20

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Hosting audio is a multiple orders of magnitude easier then video, which means platforms don't have as much value to add.

They don't need to add value for the end user if they can control the scarce resource (content) by buying it up and providing more lucrative monetisation options for creators. Their play is a hybrid of a streaming service and an adtech giant, and I imagine they're keeping their options open to see whether it pays to keep both sides of that model open or to pick one. Either way, one of the reasons I don't like what th…

Assuming enough listeners put up with it. I don’t see it lasting though, the barrier to entry is low and I bet talking to other people is a talent that many people have.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kryogen1c »

Barrin92 wrote: post #155
fareesh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

> How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny.

to use the overlycommon parable of a frog slowly being boiled to death, you are the frog saying "jesus people, the water raised 0.5 degrees, no ones dying here"

the problem is that youre focusing on one move that might be meaningless by itself, but is a part of a larger game of chess. the pieces are moving in the direction of the authoritarian left.

> Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly?

previous western societys. not saying the west is special, just that a lot of longterm cultures have suffered under leftist extremism (china, russia, various middle eastern countries) but its been a long time since the extreme left catastrophized in the west. we seem unable to cope.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Spivak wrote: post #25
ohples wrote: post #20

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Hosting audio is a multiple orders of magnitude easier then video, which means platforms don't have as much value to add.

This completely ignores the fact that hosting costs don't really matter. If Spotify can make more money on new subscriptions than they paid some content creator for exclusivity then it's worth it to them. And if the content creator gets more money by selling their exclusivity to some platform than they got for ads then it's worth it to them too.

And if listeners don’t cancel their subscriptions in response, then Spotify bet correctly. But it’s nearly trivial to record audio of yourself talking to someone, so if a sufficient number of people want to consume the content Spotify doesn’t want to host, I’m betting they will be able to find it elsewhere by a different podcast.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by rorykoehler »

vladTheInhaler wrote: post #186
snicksnak wrote: post #96

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always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

I don’t see how both can’t be problems at the same time?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

hattmall wrote: post #170
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Removing random episodes offering no reasoning is tyrannical. It being "their platform" is a non-statement as that's the only place they can be tyrants.

Is it tyranny to force a business to sell, say, a wedding cake, to a customer they don't like?

Or is it tyranny to not force a business to accept everyone, even if they don't comply with social norms like, say, wearing a mask?

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