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YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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Same. I particularly found the use of a bong-rip sound effect when the car was in the paint very odd.

It’s steam, not bong rip.

Sorry, but that’s smoke not steam. My pots don’t make that sound when boiling water. I’ve heard other “pots” in pipes that sound exactly like that though.

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#192
post #176

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And lord help you if you accidentally click on some drivel that's suggested. It'll take years of ignoring it before it and similar videos are no longer suggested.

I liberally use the "Not interested" and "Don't recommend channel" options in the menu. Works okay for me.

These options are literally the only way for me to even get new recommendations. YouTube "helpfully" fills my recommendations with videos I've already watched, videos from channels I'm already subscribed to and watched, its own "mix" playlists of songs I listen to, and totally random "topics" it thinks I'm interested in. I have to "Don't recommend" every channel I subscribe to and "Not interested" every video I click on but don't watch fully, or they completely fill several pages of recommendations.

I don't know what happened or when, but it's impossible to discover new content there anymore.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

#193
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Depends on the channel. We have a dedicated public television channel where I am and the content is significantly better than YouTube: https://pbskids.org/ My kids will tell me about history and science that they pick up from those shows. I don't think I've ever heard anything from them that I liked when it came to YouTube content.

Everyone on here seems to be blowing the trumpet for PBS Kids. Is it really that good? I haven't checked it.

It really is that good.

Folks behind their content are motivated by creating good content for the kids rather than commerical interests.

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#194

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They probably sleep pretty well with the nice new comfy bed and pillows they are able to afford off of the channel.

I mean, 1.2M views for the whole channel is... almost nothing, in terms of $? Surely not enough to affore new comfy bed and pillows?

I'd guess between $1k to $5k, and probably on the lower end of that spectrum. Might be worth it in a low cost of living country.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

#195
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Curated and at least semi-professionally produced content, like PBS kids, is infinitely better in terms of providing consistently good content. I think YouTube is at its heart fundamentally incompatible with providing only high quality enriching content. Everyone being able to make content means there are gems that would never otherwise get made, and also vast wastelands of garbage to sort through, or get dumped into…

PBS Kids was great the last time I saw it. Have they managed to stay neutral and not become politicized like so much of the media in the US?

I'm fairly sure PBS Kids contains politics since it has Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood, which is absolutely "political" just like Mr. Roger's Neighborhood was.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

#196
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Can confirm. There is a strain of video (below) on there that is just like perceptual candy to kids. And there are LOADS of these videos in slightly different versions. My own anecdote: Our 2 year old found these videos (3 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IsNFDtG4U&list=PLHZrFxrJbt... At first we were like "seems fine, colors and shapes...keeps him engaged". After a month or two he could just stare slack…

My opinion on this isn't popular. One time I was discussing Sesame Street with a friend who said how great it was at teaching kids - his kid knew the alphabet when entering school. I asked how often his kid watched SS. With a back of envelope calculation, I pointed out that it took SS several hundred hours to teach his kid the alphabet. I.e. it was the most inefficient, time-consuming teaching method ever devised. (I…

Do you think your friend might have been using the alphabet as an example of what Sesame Street had taught his kid, and not as a complete catalogue?

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#197

What's so stupid is trying to avoid having humans in the loop. Paying an educator to find 100 hours of decent content per age level couldn't cost much. It isn't youtube, it doesn't have to be endless. But it needs to be good and appropriate. Human curation is the right thing to do.

That seems to be antithetical to Alphabet's core strategy: automate everything.

Or sometimes just pay a ton of contractors to do something, and then tech media reports it as automating things.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

#198
post #21

Can confirm. There is a strain of video (below) on there that is just like perceptual candy to kids. And there are LOADS of these videos in slightly different versions. My own anecdote: Our 2 year old found these videos (3 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IsNFDtG4U&list=PLHZrFxrJbt... At first we were like "seems fine, colors and shapes...keeps him engaged". After a month or two he could just stare slack…

My opinion on this isn't popular. One time I was discussing Sesame Street with a friend who said how great it was at teaching kids - his kid knew the alphabet when entering school. I asked how often his kid watched SS. With a back of envelope calculation, I pointed out that it took SS several hundred hours to teach his kid the alphabet. I.e. it was the most inefficient, time-consuming teaching method ever devised. (I…

Sesame Street doesn't only teach alphabet.

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#199

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This is infuriating as a parent. My daughter likes certain videos, and I have to write down the titles of her favorite videos to search for them every time she asks for them. (We watch YouTube on an nvidia shield). I honestly don't understand how this restriction makes sense, it all seems punitive.

My uninformed answer is that one of the things that promoted YouTube into implementing this stuff was a YT peadophile ring was discovered to be sharing 'questionable moments' with playlists, comments and timestamps. Creepy as fuck.

Oh, that's... unpleasant. I remember Tosh.0 talking about some channel which mostly had young to very young girls doing gymnastics or having pool parties, etc.

I could see the need to end that, but, why can't I make a private playlist with my kiddo's videos?

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

#200
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YouTube Kids is so bad, https://youtu.be/oEYUjI3mkB0 ... so nightmarish platform still same problem as 3 years ago ( https://www.engadget.com/2018-03-23-youtube-still-plagued-di... )

While horrible, that's not YouTube Kids. It's just normal YouTube content by someone who thinks this kind of parody is hilarious.
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