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Re: Django 3.2

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Post by peterpostman »

dempseye wrote: post #94
peterpostman wrote: post #65

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A couple of years ago(2014) I made my first Python website and really enjoyed, however when it was time to put it onlin I quickly discovered that setting up hosting and configuring it was as large a task in getting to know pip, env, unicorn, apache2 and a plethora of other software to host it, is this still the case? Becaue this is what keeps me of hosting websites with python.

> A couple of years ago(2014) This is a niggle, but it one that has been niggling at me for the last few days. "A couple" means "two," not "several."

Ah, TIL. I'm not a native English speaker :).

Re: Django 3.2

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Post by detaro »

dempseye wrote: post #189
detaro wrote: post #188

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Literally on https://www.dictionary.com/browse/couple , the page you linked: > idioms for couple a couple of, more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there. A dinner party, whether for a couple of old friends or eight new acquaintances, takes nearly the same amount of effort. And some more dictionaries that agree: https://www.merriam-webster.com/…

The job of lexicographers is descriptive. They catalog all manner of inadvisable and illogical usages. Therefore the idea that a usage is correct because it appears in a dictionary is nonsensical, and your instruction to me to "look in a dictionary" shows that you do not understand what the basic function of one of these volumes is. A usage being common does not make it sensible or logical, and the use of "a couple"…

This usage of "a couple" is so common that it's far beyond some weird thing some people say, and telling a non-native speaker it's wrong is not doing them any favor - it's basically universally accepted usage. FWIW, if you have a reference to a styleguide that explicitly addresses it I'd be interested - I did a short search and didn't find anything, but I also don't have easy access to the full text of some major ones. But even then, disagreeing with some style guide doesn't make anyone "illiterate", or "needing english lessons" (which by the way explicitly teach people that meaning of couple, because you need it to understand English in practice).

(and I didn't flag your original post, because I don't think merely being wrong justifies flagging)

Re: Django 3.2

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Post by skrtskrt »

rrmm wrote: post #157
skrtskrt wrote: post #152

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I have run into this exact problem. A many-to-many table had a business meaning, not just an "invisible" relationship. We wanted to put a model in front of it & add soft deletes and created-at/updated-at fields, at it was a mess of hoops and hacks to jump through.

Does this go easier in any other ORM/DBs that you might have used? Sounds like the semantics of the real-world stuff didn't quite match up to the DB semantics.

We rolled a simple repository pattern library that fit over the SQLAlchemy Table API (no ORM objects, only tables).

Actually writing the the tables was very freeing, no more separation and surprises in the translation between a single model and the multiple tables it can create.

For each new object, we wrote a SQLAlchemy Table object, a domain entity object, and optionally an adapter if you need to map field names between the two. The 300 lines of repo library code did the rest.

A little boilerplate, but no need for a ton of impenetrable, hyper-dynamic ORM code.

Alembic can autogenerate migrations from the SQLALchemy Table objects

Re: Django 3.2

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Post by dang »

dempseye wrote: post #185
detaro wrote: post #182

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Maybe go look in a dictionary before you claim other people are illiterates

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/couple 1. two of the same sort considered together; pair. 2. two persons considered as joined together, as a married or engaged pair, lovers, or dance partners. Are we done here, or do you need another English lesson?

Hey, could you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN and in particular please omit swipes from your comments here? Those things break the rules and destroy the curious conversation that the site is supposed to exist for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Django 3.2

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Post by nanna »

canadapups wrote: post #155
nanna wrote: post #126

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The latest version of Tango with Django is from 2019 and is compatable with Danjango 2.2. Has a lot changed since then, if one was to work with 3.2?

My website was built in the 1.x version days and I don't think there have been any material breaking changes. My website is moderate in complexity... authentication, database, forms, file uploads, email, language support.

Thank you!
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