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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by dang »

obedm wrote: post #112
nightwing wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

"images of child abuse are not child abuse". Right. Because those images were just created magically? Someone took them. And there's a market for them. If there's no market for such pictures, likely less children will suffer the consequences. Fighting the crime directly is important, but so is doing it indirectly. Read about the suicide rates in the UK by women before and after the country changed the type of gas sto…

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. They're tedious and nasty and we're trying for curious conversation.

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by dang »

content_sesh wrote: post #166
exporectomy wrote: post #146

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It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's nam…

whoa nelly. asking for a "rational argument" against distributing child porn before launching into one of the strangest combinations of ad hom and strawman arguments I've ever seen on this web site. here I'll break it down for you: The grandparent post said (abbreviating): But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a numbe…

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. They're tedious and nasty and we're trying for curious conversation.

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by dang »

vonwoodson wrote: post #14
fallingknife wrote: post #6

> When the hoster receives an official request from the US to remove copyrighted materials – a DMCA takedown notice – the men do nothing about it, says a person who saw it happen. „DMCAs are just tossed in the wastepaper basket.” Subletters even advertise this ‘service’. „DMCA ignored” reads one advertisement offering space in the „state of the art Ecatel DataCenter, located in Amsterdam”. The Dutch hosting company d…

Copyright laws are international. If you think WIPO won’t enforce a DMCA claim because “American laws don’t apply outside of the US” (Bwahahahaha! Ha hahah! gasp HAHAH!! Ha! Ha! Ahh heh heh heh... oh, my...) you’re kidding yourself. https://www.wipo.int/

Please don't do that here.

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by edf13 »

vimax wrote: post #82
iudqnolq wrote: post #30

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I don't care morally about the DMCA, but you're a dick if you pull pranks on your child pornography reporting form > For reasons that are unclear, the web form that the two men drew up for reporting gruesome images is designed in such a way that the system can only handle five reports an hour. That is unworkable, according to the hotline.

I might care more once laws start protecting children from those in power more than used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

There should be no upper level you start caring about child protection - every level counts, whether it is a hosting company or others high up

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by stingraycharles »

542458 wrote: post #129
stingraycharles wrote: post #62

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Can confirm, it’s kind of ridiculous to build all kinds of renewable energy sources only to have them cause a massive increase in datacenter electricity usage, because they want to become 100% renewable. It would maybe be OK if they weren’t subsidized as heavily.

Honestly, this sounds like a “don’t hate the player, hate the game” thing to me. If you subsidize something, IMO it should come as no surprise that people want to take advantage of that subsidy. If people they don’t want to use that subsidy are using it, they probably should have written the terms and conditions more explicitly.

Of course, I’m not blaming Microsoft at all, it’s just smart business on their part.

I blame the regulators for not having the foresight to codify into some law that would prevent this situation.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by tyingq »

RuggedPineapple wrote: post #183
tyingq wrote: post #168

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I didn't even go down that road. There's nothing compelling a Dutch company to comply with the DMCA. The context of "illegal" that was quoted a few comments up isn't "DMCA", it's "illegal". Like, against Dutch law. Child phonography might be a good example. On that matter though, here's what copyright.gov has to say: "There is no such thing as an “international copyright” that will automatically protect an author’s w…

There is such a thing, actually. Not explicitly, but international copyright law has been largely harmonized through the Berne Convention. With 179 signatories its a pretty universal 'floor' for copyright protections. The only big abstention was the USSR and they aren't around anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention

The pdf I linked covers that in pretty good depth.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by skinkestek »

InCoffeeWeTrust wrote: post #130

Almost every entity has oversight measures implemented to safeguard it from criminal negligence. The laws in the Netherlands need to be updated to ensure that data hosting centres and their owners can't get away with criminal negligence. And to everyone complaining about this with a "but my free speech" excuse - there are extensive legal procedures which ensure that allegations of criminal negligence are conducted op…

We need laws.

And we need police and courts to apply those laws, not power hungry politicians and media giants.

There certainly exist content so bad that I want it off the Internet, but I do not want that to be used as an excuse to let those who are already powerful act as judge, jury and executioner.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by tgv »

fireeyed wrote: post #9

The hosting company could be a cesspool but I just checked one of the news blog site the article attributed to ‘right wing radicals’. The content looks like Dutch version of Buzzfeed or TMZ https://vizieroplinks.org/

It tries to smear left-wing people with some public visibility, in several cases showing pictures their houses, complete with a description of the location, just short of the actual address. They've also left stickers near these houses saying "location under observation". It's political intimidation.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by vimax »

edf13 wrote: post #194
vimax wrote: post #82

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I might care more once laws start protecting children from those in power more than used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

There should be no upper level you start caring about child protection - every level counts, whether it is a hosting company or others high up

When did I say I didn't care about protecting children? I said I didn't care about a hosting company throwing DMCA complaints in the trash, and I refuse to give into any bullying that says supporting free speech is the same thing as hurting children.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by tgv »

rowanG077 wrote: post #154
InCoffeeWeTrust wrote: post #138

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... you read an entire article detailing the hosting of child porn and this is the conclusion you've arrived at?

Yes definitely. It seems to me the hoster does everything that is required of it by law. Child porn is horrible but that doesn't mean the hoster should be responsible of policing the servers. Law enforcement must go after the person who rented the server. That is the source of the problem. Going after the hoster is nothing but symptom relief.

That position is too naive to be honest.
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