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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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That article gave no numbers. It made a claim and didn't back it up.

There's links in the article to Scientific American which also had papers from October 2020.

Cool. Where does that dispute the fact that those who are vaccinated are still breeding grounds for new variants of the virus?

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"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans? Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this plan…

Viruses will attack anything they can successfully reproduce in, they have absolutely no preferences. They are binary, they survive and thrive or they don't. That's why some viruses can sucessfully jump species, and some can't, some viruses are able to survive in multiple hosts through dumb luck. Yes, they all need specific types of conditions in their hosts to survive, but they don't care if it's a big, a dog, a human, or an alien. If it gets what it needs, it'll go there.

Note: I'm not saying viruses don't have conditions they need met, they do, obviously. I'm saying they can attack an alien just as likely as they can a human.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

"Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of inheritance." Hang on. Are you implying that science created artifical life from just elements? Because that would be news to me.

We don't understand how abiogenesis happened exactly but we do know that electricity from lightning is liable to be able to produce amino acids from simpler chemicals and we have theories as to how the early earth would have been amenable to such formation in a way the current earth is not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Given the history of shamanistic figures explaining the natural world in terms of magical spirits and having magical definitions replaced with natural ones thousands of years one can perhaps be forgiven for concluding that the original of life was just another domino waiting to fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

It's always those that are the least confident in their atheism that feel the need to constantly defend it.

Doesn’t that go for any ‘ism?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Is the theory of gravity still something to be considered only a theory?

Presumably so especially since both Newton's and Enstein's understanding of gravity is obviously incomplete.

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> science can find it. There is no thing called "science" that finds answers. There are scientists who can form hypotheses about the universe they can see and perceive and check whether they are consistent with what they can see and perceive. We are mostly ants on a balloon: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-the-fact-tha... We do not know where the balloon came from.

science is our method of finding answers. When we say science can find it, we mean scientists using the scientific method.

Science is a method of finding answers, it's not the only one.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

I suggest you defend that position instead of stating it so boldly and asking us to accept your reasoning.

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Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

I suggest you defend that position instead of stating it so boldly and asking us to accept your reasoning.

I mentioned in another comment just one counter example: we cannot go back to before t=0 when the universe was created. There is knowledge beyond the realm of space and time which we have no access to.

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Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

Because it's beyond the realm of space and time. We can't go back before t=0 when the universe was created.

Life is believed to have emerged at ~t=9 billion why couldn't we formulate a theory of how it emerged?
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