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Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by random5634 »

twox2 wrote: post #169
twox2 wrote: post #68

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I disagree. It's the over-regulation that calls for these pain in the ass implementations.

Downvote all you want, but you're in denial. GDPR and the like are nothing more than "privacy theater". I work in this industry and know it very well. Cookie opt outs or forced opt-ins on publisher pages aren't helping anyone with anything. The whole thing is just a farce so that they can enforce this against bigger tech companies when they want to. They should just tax them outright and save us all the trouble.

No kidding. The first sign is how intrusive it all is. The second sign is how ineffective it is at anything web / crime related people actually care about (normal people).

On HN it's like - go ahead and let me cable company and cell phone company track / sell and target me on my browsing history (wildly intrusive), but random website doing pet necklaces, try to stay on top of all the popups you need to shove at your users (who will all say OK) so you can show your page.

If you can't share the data you buy up the other companies into groups and then are just using it "yourself" etc.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by IgorPartola »

pjmlp wrote: post #111
filleokus wrote: post #76

It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…

I was already doing containers with HP-UX Vaults in version 11 back in 1999. Just like any tool that doesn't offer more than an abstraction layer over OS features, eventually it becomes irrelevant as OS tooling improves.

Portability is key. Being able to run an Ubuntu container on macOS is a killer feature.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by goatinaboat »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #176
caymanjim wrote: post #140

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Kubernetes is so much more than most people should want or need. It's far too complicated and heavyweight for smaller or simpler deployments. In AWS, most people should use ECS/Fargate instead. There are other competing container environments as well. Your point still stands; Docker popularized containerization and are in danger of becoming irrelevant because they ceded the container execution environment to others.

I beg to differ. The jump from learning Docker (and containers generally) to learning Kubernetes is not “hard”. Sure it’s a different paradigm of application deployment but I’ve seen far too many posts on HN that completely undermine its value in the name of difficulty. You can use it if you’re not “at scale” completely fine and reap all the benefits as if you were. Idk it’s because people hate Google, so they hate K…

I beg to differ. The jump from learning Docker (and containers generally) to learning Kubernetes is not “hard”.

Unless you are at a scale that you can employ a full-time Kubernetes team, you probably don't need Kubernetes, and if you insist on using it for production anyway, you absolutely should use one of the many managed offerings (DO is probably cheapest, I have no affiliation with them), or shrinkwrapped product like Tanzu.

Bootstrapping from scratch on bare metal remains non-trivial and an in-place upgrade is an order of magnitude harder.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by grey-area »

kentonv wrote: post #30
tsejerome97 wrote: post #10

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As a 10+ years old company / YC company + significant amount of market share, I was expecting Docket to be like series D-F or even going public. Wondering if it is actually common for companies in CA to be like that...

Looks like original Docker did Series E in 2017: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/docker/company_finan... This is apparently "new/restructured Docker" which did Series A in 2019. From the footnote in the article: https://www.docker.com/press-release/docker-new-direction It does seem weird to just start the letters over like that, as if it's a new hot startup.

Doing a series H might make investors think harder about why they need 8 rounds of funding over 12 years or so and still didn't manage to turn a profit.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by seniorThrowaway »

deckard1 wrote: post #170
rusk wrote: post #150

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Interesting analogy vs car transmission. I always find auto frustrating because it doesn’t give me the love of control I’m comfortable with ...

probably neither here nor there, but I always see manual transmission in new cars as an anachronism bordering on placebo. Primarily because everything else is still an abstraction. Specifically steering. I recall BMW or maybe Porsche getting raked over the coals for their lifeless floaty steering in a few of their newer models. Modern steering is all emulated anyway, giving you that "road" feel. Along with cars pipin…

It's purely preference at this point and likely mainly for older people like me who grew up in the era where manuals were cheaper and more efficient. Neither is really true anymore, manuals have become an expensive option in most cases in the USA and the new automatics are more efficient. Complexity and cost to repair on the other hand...

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by KarlKode »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #176
caymanjim wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kubernetes is so much more than most people should want or need. It's far too complicated and heavyweight for smaller or simpler deployments. In AWS, most people should use ECS/Fargate instead. There are other competing container environments as well. Your point still stands; Docker popularized containerization and are in danger of becoming irrelevant because they ceded the container execution environment to others.

I beg to differ. The jump from learning Docker (and containers generally) to learning Kubernetes is not “hard”. Sure it’s a different paradigm of application deployment but I’ve seen far too many posts on HN that completely undermine its value in the name of difficulty. You can use it if you’re not “at scale” completely fine and reap all the benefits as if you were. Idk it’s because people hate Google, so they hate K…

I might have misunderstood you but there is a huge difference between a developer being able to use docker and understand the basics of containerization and CI/CD, and a devops/ops person managing servers/clusters using docker swarm or kubernetes. The latter of the two is so far more difficult to master than the first.

Managing a kubernetes cluster has so many possibilities to shoot yourself in the foot without realizing it. There are dozens of tutorials online how to set up a simple linux/nignx/python/postgres cluster (including lots of results for common error google searches) while routing problems of your legacy php application that is behind an istio controlled ingress running on a specific kubernetes version will leave you for yourself.

Sure you won't be able to scale indefinitely. Switching a solid containerized project running on your self-managed machines to a kubernetes setup will be quite easy (if you heeded devops best practices).

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by goatinaboat »

paxys wrote: post #27

Considering how entrenched Docker has been in global tech infrastructure for so many years, I automatically assumed that the company was worth billions already, but guess not. I wonder why they haven't been bought out by Microsoft or Google, if nothing else then just for the talent.

Considering how entrenched Docker has been in global tech infrastructure for so many years

It is not entrenched at all, that's their problem. You can literally drop in Podman as a replacement and alias the command it it will "just work" - and Podman has some significant advantages in many environments/use cases. Docker, the company or the product, has no concrete barriers to entry to protect itself.

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Post by seniorThrowaway »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #185
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #132

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> absolutely ground breaking, unlike anything else Containers existed for decades as a concept and for years on Linux (using lxc or VirtSquare and later nspawn)

It is true that the technologies existed for a while. I played with (Free)BSD jails and Solaris Zones long before Docker. Docker however made things "trivial" with the integration from container building, to public registry and docker-compose, which can make developer lives (depending on domain) much nicer. With jails and zones it was never as convenient.

That was docker's real value add, making it easy and developer centric. Previous containerization technologies were heavily ops-centric. I come from an ops background and I remember thinking at the time that Docker was in some ways a developer workaround to barriers that ops set up to limit what they could do and protect them from themselves.

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Post by cam-perry »

goatinaboat wrote: post #193
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I beg to differ. The jump from learning Docker (and containers generally) to learning Kubernetes is not “hard”. Sure it’s a different paradigm of application deployment but I’ve seen far too many posts on HN that completely undermine its value in the name of difficulty. You can use it if you’re not “at scale” completely fine and reap all the benefits as if you were. Idk it’s because people hate Google, so they hate K…

I beg to differ. The jump from learning Docker (and containers generally) to learning Kubernetes is not “hard”. Unless you are at a scale that you can employ a full-time Kubernetes team, you probably don't need Kubernetes, and if you insist on using it for production anyway, you absolutely should use one of the many managed offerings (DO is probably cheapest, I have no affiliation with them), or shrinkwrapped product…

Almost two years ago it was MUCH easier for me to learn how to deploy on DO-managed Kubernetes than ECS or Fargate.

Probably didn't need it, but whatever, it worked and I had to learn something new anyways.

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