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How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by higerordermap »

swayvil wrote: post #160
baytrailcat wrote: post #158

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This comment made me lol.. Not sure if you were just joking or you were unaware that case system is overlaid on racial/genetic subtleties of Indian subcontinent. Brahmin casts tend to be light skinned. For outsiders, all Indians are same, but believe me, there are subconscious clues a trained human mind (through upbringing, culture etc.) can pick up.

Nordics probably read as superbrahmins.

This comment made me LoL but yes there's some steppe ancestry in Indians. But doesn't considerably vary among castes. I guess most of "upper castes" have something like 10% more steppe ancestry on average. Brahmins have established themselves as top because they were priestly caste and not the ancestry. (Indo European migration happened much before caste system formed).

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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dang wrote: post #184
approxim8ion wrote: post #2

Prepare for serious astroturfing if this post gets any traction.

This comment breaks the site guidelines. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

My bad.

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by approxim8ion »

shmde wrote: post #166
pritambarhate wrote: post #150

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So you are unhappy because you couldn't get admission to a college. Now think about the unspeakable things millions of people from these backward classes had to endure for thousands of years. How much anger they must have felt. How much helplessness and self loathing they must have felt for not being able to do anything about it? Because they were told the God intended this life for them! It's not about the income le…

Losing a better chance at education and possibly a better life and potentially making less money because companies values IIT/IIM/NIT tags as a minor apology to people who were already at the same economic playing field as me ? Naah, absolutely never. As I said I have absolutely NO objection/problem with SC/ST/OBC/single girl students getting a better shot at education through quota if they had an underpreviliged chi…

As an upper-caste person, you don't get to decide which minorities have lived a privileged life based on your resentful view of them. The caste hierarchy exists outside of class.

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by GPerson »

naravara wrote: post #179
notacoward wrote: post #175

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One of my Indian coworkers said you could tell a lot about someone from their last name. Family origin, for one, down to a pretty fine granularity. Caste, likewise. My closest Indian friend once asked me if I could guess his caste. I told him I wouldn't even try. He laughed and told me that any Indian would instantly recognize his last name as placing him not only as a Brahmin but at a specific position within caste.…

Around independence many Indian families kind of chose their last names (or had a choice imposed on them, in the case of lower caste members). Surnames were kind of a European import and traditionally people were identified by a personal name and one of several specifying markers like their home village, their familial vocation, religion, or jati. The Jati-based names are the ones people are talking about as being id…

This was pleasant to read. You write in a very entertaining style.

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by fatjokes »

doggodaddo78 wrote: post #24
lhorie wrote: post #12

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I'm sorry but consider that this right here is discrimination too. Go to Costco in Markham, Ontario and you're going to be seeing a lot of chinese people in the way you describe too. But then consider: when was the last time you stepped into your local hmart (a Korean supermarket chain)? People congregate with similar people. This is something torontonians have gotten over ages ago. Mingle if you want to, but also ac…

NIMBY is for nuclear reactors, not groups of people who Balkanize themselves into their own gated communities, whether native or immigrants.

What's wrong with letting people live how they want to?

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by lazyninja987 »

presentation wrote: post #30
throwaway3021 wrote: post #18

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Very prevalent - but less likely to see in workplace than in social life (relationships, housing). This article also alludes to social aspects (study groups, etc) in IITs and not so much on academics. Not based on any formal survey but my perception is 80-20 tilts towards higher caste population believing in superiority of their caste. I would also add many believe reservations for backward caste is unfair. Hindu nat…

One of my friends had a story, where he was conducting a job interview with an American-born Indian teammate, and the interviewee was an Indian; when the interviewee went to the bathroom, she offhand guessed at the interviewee's caste, and then immediately felt mortified that she said that to a non-Indian and apologized. Just hearing that story secondhand was pretty wild for me to process!

If you doubt the interviewer's integrity in making a decision, just remove him from the panel.

better to be safe than sorry.

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by winter_blue »

winter_blue wrote: post #136
marcinzm wrote: post #21

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>There isn't a magic or easy answer. It is what it is. I mean, sure there is, people just don't want to fix it for various reasons. For example, reform the H1B and Green Card processes. Make the H1B an actual path to a green card and citizenship which most people seem to want nowadays. Cap H1Bs per nation (so there's a clear concise path to citizenship if you're in the US) rather than Green Cards or increase the Gree…

Capping visas based on country of birth, is literally racism. Don’t be a racist.

Why am I not surprised that this is downvoted?

Because HN is choke-full of racists, xenophobes, inveterate nativists, and white nationalists — and nobody here seems to want to acknowledge this “uncomfortable” truth.

It’s dark and dreary, but that’s the sort of shitty people who are unfortunately ta majority of users here.

Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

winter_blue wrote: post #197
winter_blue wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capping visas based on country of birth, is literally racism. Don’t be a racist.

Why am I not surprised that this is downvoted? Because HN is choke-full of racists, xenophobes, inveterate nativists, and white nationalists — and nobody here seems to want to acknowledge this “uncomfortable” truth. It’s dark and dreary, but that’s the sort of shitty people who are unfortunately ta majority of users here.

The comment was unsubstantive flamebait and was correctly downvoted based on the site guidelines. Please stop posting this way to HN—it's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: How Big Tech Is Importing India’s Caste Legacy to Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #40

>This is something torontonians have gotten over ages ago. Bad example. Canada is a globalist punching bag and their behaviour isn't indicative of a country that has grown but one that has merely submitted. I lived in Toronto for a couple of years and even at that point most of the people I met who were born and bred there were hauling ass out of the city to places like Barrie, Burlington or other provinces entirely.…

Flamewar comments like this will get you banned here. It's one thing to share your experience, but name-calling, putdowns, and ideological denunciations are quite another, and not ok. Please don't vandalize HN threads like this again.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26435861.

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