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Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by woofie11 » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

andi999 wrote: post #189

woofie11 wrote: post #78

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It varies field-by-field. In my field, peer review is a joke. I'm glad it's not a joke in your field yet, but incentive structures say it eventually will be. If incentives don't change, it's a question of when, not if.

What incentive structures? When I get a paper for review, I do my (time limited) best. Which incentive will change me?

Academic hiring and promotion.

High-quality academic curation doesn't effect anything in your career. On the other hand, the impact of your own research does does affect it. I'd like my taxpayer dollars to go a little less towards publish-or-perish, and a little more towards QA to make sure the papers coming out are credible.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by shoemakersteve » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #165

Clubber wrote: post #132

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>But it requires the belief, if not in soul, in some trancedental good The soul is your conscience, you're comfortability with yourself. The judge is your peers, family and ultimately yourself.

Well, the soul (as in "ultimately yourself") might not give a fuck about morality and goodness, and judge you on failing or not to get what you want. What then? As for family and friends, people find that those like you just fine if: (a) you can fake being good succesfully (while still being bad and doing bad things for your benefit - common with politicians, CEO doing "charity" with corruption and cruelty on the sid…

>What then?

Then you're a sociopath.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by jessaustin » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #181

jessaustin wrote: post #152

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An experience I had as an undergrad of walking around a not-yet-bleached spot on the sidewalk in front of Pierce played some role in my not going to grad school.

Bleached? In what sense?

They put up a barrier and some "biohazard" signs around the spot, until they had a chance to clean the concrete thoroughly. It would be unseemly for students to trod on the remains of their recently deceased schoolmate.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by karagenit » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 8:16 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #120

> Finally, the paper with academic misconduct got retracted by ACM as Huixiang’s last wish. The ACM imposed a penalty of a 15-year ban on participation in any ACM Conference or Publication to the offenders. Wow. It does sound like the student discovered suicide as one of the only known effective methods of triggering accountability for research misconduct. That's awfully depressing. I can't now find the article I rem…

Probably this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922799

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by timwaagh » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 2:05 AM UTC

xenihn wrote: post #94

timwaagh wrote: post #90

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Having to pay less is pretty major if you are the one doing the paying.

Sure, but is it cheaper in the long run when you account for attrition, hiring costs (recruiters, engineer hours spent interviewing), and ramp-up? Let's go ahead and assume that things like code quality and technical debt aren't factors here, and that the replacements for regrettable attrition would receive (and accept) offers with comparable TC.

That depends on project duration. Most projects did not go on more than a year or two. If that's the case your ramp up would happen once every two years even if everybody stayed forever. If you're reasonably efficient about it, you can hire someone with maybe a few hours of engineer time. If the average engineer stays even a year it's not that much.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by andrepd » Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

webmaven wrote: post #183

andrepd wrote: post #181

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Bleached? In what sense?

A concrete surface (such as a sidewalk) needs to be cleaned with a bleaching agent in order to remove bodily fluid stains, which can otherwise persist for years.

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