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Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Contact the police so they can arrest the poster? Also, maintain a public denylist of packages with an transparent process for overriding or correcting the list?

Is a denylist a blacklist? Denylist as a word doesn't really roll off the tongue.

We could just go back to killfile

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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> They were the champions of the open web for a long time. Because that's what you say when you're the underdog. Remember Apple's 1984 ad? Microsoft's "a computer on every desk"? The tech industry seems to support a rotating cast of monopolists riding atop whatever gate-keeping function emerges, each one holding on as long as it can until replaced by something that ends up looking a lot like the last top dog.

I'm quite confident you can't run a company as big as Google without being evil but it seems useful to ponder why does it happen. Corpo structure seems to have something to do with it, separate things into categories, then teams get categories and optimize locally without taking bigger picture into account (or even knowing what the picture is). Some regulations, maybe some pressures from some agencies about which the…

> seems useful to ponder why does it happen.

Ooooh. I know this one! Because that's what VCs want. AirBNB, Uber, Postmates, Google, Facebook, Apple.

VCs want to invest in winner-takes-all platforms and markets with incredibly strong network effects. But don't say any of that out loud: https://themarkup.org/google-the-giant/2020/08/07/google-doc...

All these people rushing in to Silicon Valley with hat-in-hand going from VC to VC talking about how they care so much about the user or the product. It's all a giant colossal fucking sham. You're there to become a billionaire. Can we all stop dancing around this fact already? Paul Graham and his fucking essays. The pretentious VC Twitterverse. It's always been about the money. Facebook's earliest slide deck tells the story of how they are going to harvest their users' private data and offer it up to advertisers:

https://app.slidebean.com/p/s15UZQkE7T/Facebooks-original-pi...

This is back when they were still "The Facebook" and a tiny startup. They didn't suddenly become evil and greedy. Greed and evil was the plan. It's right there. Google is no different.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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post #101

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Probably because they are forced to use really shitty subbing formats for assisted text in some compliance format :| Edit: Are those baked into the video or did they just use the ASS format?

Even the old-school analog EIA-608 captioning system can do positional captions. It's all these modern web players (like Youtube's) that have regressed to a single line of text bottom-center.

YouTube actually supports it through a feature called WebVTT [0], though it is rarely used, an example of it is this video [1] where it is used for placement and lighting up text for karaoke.

The actual code for it is looks like this:

  00:03:31.485 --> 00:03:31.719 align:start position:0% line:0%
  Hey! nanika ga okoru spe cial night
  
  00:03:31.485 --> 00:03:31.719 align:start position:0% line:0%
  Hey! nanika ga okoru spe cial night
  
  00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:32.486 align:start position:0% line:0%
  Hey! nanika ga okoru special  night
  
  00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:32.486 align:start position:0% line:0%
  Hey! nanika ga okoru special  night

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebVTT [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AufydOsiD6M

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Reminiscent to me of Call of Duty Warzone; it has loadouts which you can give custom names (that only you see!) which are protected with a profanity filter. Comically, some of the literal names of the guns are banned as being profane, like "MP5".

Isn't it just to double-plus-ensure that no one "accidentally" uses a name that ActivisionBlizzard did not license from the appropriate gun manufacturer? I.e. It has little to do with profanity but a lot to prevent someone from making screnshot of a loadout with a gun that looks like MP5, is named by them as "MP5 whatever" and behaves like an MP5 in some type of legal action?

It feels like it would be pretty bizarre if a court somewhere actually ruled in favor of a gun manufacturer for lost revenue in a trademark suit because somebody was genuinely confused between a weapon in a video game and ordering an actual physical weapon, that can only be legally ordered by licensed firearm dealers and government organizations.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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Any kind of violence is fine. Sex is a sin though.

I was actually thinking about writing a blog post about one of the more culturally transgressive things Google has done lately: they stopped banning naked yoga videos on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=naked+yoga There's absolutely nothing wrong with videos showing the human form, but people doing yoga without wearing a single thing—on YouTube—is definitely going to surprise some people. I'm hon…

Somebody recently sent me a link to a video on YouTube about the infamous prickasso [1]. I was very surprised to see YouTube hosting a video of him, well, painting on camera.

[1] https://youtu.be/4oDT99KKvdE

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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I feel lots of the comments are polarized and don't take into the account the magnitude and difficulty of the problem at hand. Additionally, I wonder what the comments would be, if the opposite would have happened, an app with explicit content lands on the playstore. Are there any data available about the false positives false negatives etc. ?

They're simply being put up to their own standards. They shut down anyone for a slightest mistake, so I'm just not going to feel sorry for them for their own incompetence or because it's hard. If they fuck up, the government will bail them out. If smaller companies they often destroy fuck up, no one will bat an eye. Split them up if necessary, maybe that will fix at least some of the problems.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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FWIW, general profanity detection is a highly nontrivial problem. It’s true that such subword profanity filters aren’t that great, but slightly more sophisticated ones (eg whole word matching or n-grams) tend to have relatively good precision. You could train a fancy neural network, but the overall return on precision and recall tends to be not that great (compared to the exponential change in speed and cost). The pr…

Even humans with full general intelligence and domain knowledge will fail at profanity detection. I think the problem here is not so much that there are false triggers, but that there is no way to deal with the false triggers — no way to appeal to reason or utility.

It's a problem with a subjective answer.

One man's profanity is not another man's profanity.

Of course, the personality trait of desiring censoring “bad words” seems to highly correlate with a belief in objective morality. — the others are wrong about what they find profane!

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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I just watched a fansub recently where they replaced some environmental text in the background, and they used the ASS format to render the english text out of focus and seamlessly match the depth-of-field effect used in the show. Some groups really go above and beyond.

The few groups that used to do that have stopped making fansubs. Mostly because HorribleSubs took a lot of the market share by just ripping CruncyRoll subs and re-packaging with RAWs. But now that HS is gone, I'm not sure what's happening to the scene. There is a power vacuum and I'm not sure if anyone took up the space.

There are definitely still anime fansub groups active, although not nearly as many as there used to be.

Mostly they seem to work on shows that haven't been licensed by official simulcast sources, or that are licensed but aren't being released on a timely schedule (ahem Netflix), or projects that for whatever reason they think the official releases haven't done justice to.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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I run a small company and offer an app to monitor sales reps work. Managers use it also to see how much time employees spend in the field. To count how much time is spend in some specific location my app uses background location updates.

10 years ago I was distributing just the apk file. Then I moved to Play store. It turned out that most people on their company owned Android devices don't configure Play Store. App updates are disabled until you log in. So I had to educate my customer employees how to log in to Play Store and install my app. The additional benefit was that people had security updates of Chrome and other apps.

Two months ago my app was suspended after I made all necessary changes to support Android 10. The Gbot claims that background location updates aren't essential for my app. As you may guess I wrote appeal without success. My customers pay mainly for that time report feature but Gbot knows better what my paying customers want.

And I just do not care about securing my customer devices and Play Store any longer. Now I distribute apk files again and train people how to install apk files from unknown sources.

Re: Suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats

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> Your app contains content that doesn't comply with the Sexual Content and Profanity policy. What the fuck is "profanity"? Are we a religious society? Why shouldn't we able to say "ass" (!) or show nipples?? The ban on porn is defensible outside of any moral framework because once you allow porn then all what's left is porn (although it would be useful to think about why that is). But "profanity"? Come on.

> The ban on porn is defensible outside of any moral framework because once you allow porn then all what's left is porn (although it would be useful to think about why that is).

Reddit and 8chan allow the creation of pornography subboards and never even approached that state.

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