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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by bdcravens »

ganstyles wrote: post #167
bdcravens wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and many others: "In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan A…

I am mad at all of them for their labor practices. Even if I wasn't, one company doing something nefarious isn't vindicated because others are doing same.

I agree; it just seems to me the discussion is framed in such a way to paint Apple as being uniquely evil in this regard.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by Kattywumpus »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

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Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

> For God's sake, is this where we're headed? Just ban anything that sounds offensive?

Headed?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by wruza »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

It doesn’t sound offensive, just stupid and provoking. Along the lines of Condom Antimalware Suit or Holocosta Firewall. Condoms are great for protecting you and holocaust just means “burn all” - had nothing to do with burning people. It only burns network packets, look at the context, it’s fire wall! No need to come the raw prawn here, simply rename it.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by rualca »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

> Amphetamine is a chemical. What is wrong with that?

This disingenuous take on the term does not help your case nor reflects positively on your reputation as a honest person. Amphetamines have a long reputation as recreational and illicit drugs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

Amphetamines, much like cocaine and heroin, are not a mere chemical, nor do they convey a mental image of chemists doing science in a lab to the public. And please don't try to pass everyone as a bunch of stupid idiots by claiming that an app designed to keep a device awake is named after a mere chemical, with a long track record of being used as an euphoriant, without any popular connotation with drug abuse.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

ganstyles wrote: post #186
zepto wrote: post #135

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My only argument is that it’s reasonable for the GP to say that meth is amphetamine, even if it’s grammatically more correct to say an amphetamine. It’s basically bullshit to dismiss what they were saying on the basis of this pedantry. Amphetamine is a structural class. It’s also clearly true that people not versed in chemistry associate meth with amphetamine. What’s ‘technically’ correct to a chemist really isn’t re…

It's not a problem with grammar when the "incorrect" grammar changes the whole meaning of something. No one would be jumping on the comment if it had said, "meth is a amphetamine," which has the same meaning despite the incorrect grammar. Removing the "an" completely changes the meaning. This should be clear?

It only completely changes the meaning for someone technically versed. Most people are not.

This should be clear?

A lot of people are going to think of meth when they see the word amphetamine. Likely most people.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by ketamine__ »

DeafSquid wrote: post #189
ketamine__ wrote: post #143

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Ketamine for treatment resistant depression. We've got to kick the mind expansion folks out though. They are going to ruin everything like Timothy Leary ruined LSD.

Go fuck yourself if you think you should be denying anyone from using a substance you yourself benefit from. Others benefit from it in different ways too.

Sorry, but I can't support recreational use when I have a legitimate medical need. It makes the activism too complicated.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

You are being ridiculous. No one is saying ban everything offensive. But many people, including me, will think twice about buying anything called "Amphetamine". I also wouldn't buy anything with "Cannabis" in the name. Both may have good uses but they are still narcotics which are most well known for being recreationally abused. Everything can have a good use. But that doesn't mean everything is the same or is going to be treated the same by people.

Names matter, they are signals meant for humans to understand in specific ways. And names which refer to taboo or suggestive topics are going to prick up the ears of some customers and turn others away. Names related to drugs, sex, etc. are going to turn off many customers (especially those with kids), enough for stores to have policies against them. There's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by bdcravens »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #187
bdcravens wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and many others: "In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan A…

I see there's been (at least some) downvoting of this comment, but it's not irrelevant. Pointing out that other companies have the same problem doesn't give Apple a "get out of criticism free" card, but it's worth keeping in mind that Apple gets singled out for this kind of criticism in part because they promote their efforts to be better than the norm in this regard, which invites a more critical eye.

Every time I post that link it gets downvoted. Yet every time I post it, it's in response to someone implying Apple is uniquely evil. I certainly don't feel they deserve a pass, but it's such a ubiquitous problem that it's almost pointless to use as a talking point. (It's like saying Politician X is inherently bad because they accept corporate money)
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