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Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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Sorry but I have to disagree a lot. An app is not the best way to learn piano. Piano is not just about pressing keys. Does the app correct your position (important if you don't want to get fatigue and cramps), your volume, fingerings, etc? Does it tell you how to practice the parts where you're struggling? > connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard Please don't do that. I mean, if you just want to give it a try to pi…

Going to shamelessly use this thread to pulse check something I am working on. I too have been learning piano over the last five months or so, but I found a private teacher through a local music school. Very glad I made that decision, we work well together and it’s amazing having someone for 1hr a week to keep you on track, motivated, correcting you in real time. Apps cannot do that, but there IS room for technology…

I was working on a music system for my brother, who is a music teacher, to allow for better music teaching than Zoom. I just don't have the bandwidth. But I do have some code for video interface with Jitsi and MIDI. I'd be more than happy to pass along with I got and some idea on how to get the music to synch.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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LOL, never realized that was a slur — I've heard it most of my life and took it to be humorous in a self-deprecating way: as in I'm so dumb this is how I think you can fake speaking Spanish. Like "cheapio midio" is my attempt at Italian.

Really? I honestly can’t express how truly depressing and miserable your comment is. Self deprecating to use another language incorrectly to “humble” yourself? Seems pretty obviously racist. It’s like saying “Ching Chong China virus” and calling it self-deprecating. Petty fucking gross. Wish I had the confidence of a white person to never think about my affect on others... or what language can do. Let alone to get pa…

I hear "Ching Chong China virus" as clearly meaning to be offensive, "el cheapo" not at all.

Maybe I've been conditioned wrong.

Also "humbling" is not the word I would have used to describe the speaker — I don't think that is the same as "self-deprecating".

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

#193

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Really? I honestly can’t express how truly depressing and miserable your comment is. Self deprecating to use another language incorrectly to “humble” yourself? Seems pretty obviously racist. It’s like saying “Ching Chong China virus” and calling it self-deprecating. Petty fucking gross. Wish I had the confidence of a white person to never think about my affect on others... or what language can do. Let alone to get pa…

This seems like the form of aggressive linguistic policing that the modern American so-called left engages in constantly. It strikes me as a wanton desire to get offended as a pretext to deliver a lecture about cultural sensitivity, thereby elevating the lecturer and diminishing the person receiving the lecture. It is immensely tedious and almost everybody is sick of it. The person you are responding to obviously did…

A person accused of "unintentional racism" is, in my mind, not guilty. There has to be an intent to disparage behind the comment/remark for the speaker to be racist in act.

Tell someone who said they felt "gypped" that they are disparaging Gypsies and they might have no clue that they were doing so. Are they nonetheless racist?

I give them a pass. But I'm white so maybe I am not sensitive enough to these issues.

> the modern American so-called left engages in constantly

I associate with the "left", am "left", not aware of anyone in my circles engaging in that sort of language policing.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

#194

I just started learning piano in the COVID lockdown. The best and cheapest way to learn is use an app: Simply Piano(android+ios), Piano Marvel(ios), etc and connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard. this allows you to spend the next 6 months learning without anyone getting disturbed..while the app gives you realtime feedback about which keys you are pressing. you wont miss the lack of a teacher...especially during th…

Sorry but I have to disagree a lot. An app is not the best way to learn piano. Piano is not just about pressing keys. Does the app correct your position (important if you don't want to get fatigue and cramps), your volume, fingerings, etc? Does it tell you how to practice the parts where you're struggling? > connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard Please don't do that. I mean, if you just want to give it a try to pi…

So I'm just giving you perspective after about 9 weeks of SimplyPiano.

Im very far away from being able to control the nuances of volume. Im still at the point, where I'm learning to use my left and right hands independently and play without looking.

And that's what SimplyPiano gets you to - it's a structured program+game that teaches you to read music and gain hand independence using an app.

Im pretty self aware that I will need a teacher at some point. I have been a gamer and had formal teaching in music when I was kid.

I find it hard to believe that a teacher would be able to correct me in real time, while simultaneously having me enjoy the process. Once I start playing half decently, the memory of music is motivation enough.

Not right now.

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#196

Can it get you to Marc Rebillet's [0] level in 5 years of a few hours per day practice? He makes it look so effortless and I can't even begin to imagine the flow state he's experiencing. [0] https://youtu.be/XMFnkKWXgKw?t=203

That guy is absolutely incredible.

I posted this on HN a while ago but it sank without a trace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBwRfQbXkg

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

#197

Long-time pianist here, here's a resource I also like: https://fundamentals-of-piano-practice.readthedocs.io/ I like this resource because it is anti-workaholic and principled. It also really focuses on developing good habits, which is a huge part of piano. A strategic approach to practice can make it MUCH more efficient.

Thank you!

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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Sorry but I have to disagree a lot. An app is not the best way to learn piano. Piano is not just about pressing keys. Does the app correct your position (important if you don't want to get fatigue and cramps), your volume, fingerings, etc? Does it tell you how to practice the parts where you're struggling? > connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard Please don't do that. I mean, if you just want to give it a try to pi…

> Sorry but I have to disagree a lot. And I have to disagree a lot with you. I had a piano teacher when I was young and that person put me off piano for the next 45 years or so. A good teacher will help you, a not so good teacher may well cause you to lose interest. Right now I'm practicing on my own, when I want, without a set schedule and without the goal of getting good enough to satisfy my - nonexistent - teacher…

Would you able to mention a bit about your self learning/practice approach ?

Im wondering about the next steps from Simply Piano in a couple of months.

I have been told Czerny. But I'm not sure if that's the path that takes me to eventually playing Chopin.

Would love to know if you figured out a "hacker way".

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

#199

I just started learning piano in the COVID lockdown. The best and cheapest way to learn is use an app: Simply Piano(android+ios), Piano Marvel(ios), etc and connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard. this allows you to spend the next 6 months learning without anyone getting disturbed..while the app gives you realtime feedback about which keys you are pressing. you wont miss the lack of a teacher...especially during th…

Sorry but I have to disagree a lot. An app is not the best way to learn piano. Piano is not just about pressing keys. Does the app correct your position (important if you don't want to get fatigue and cramps), your volume, fingerings, etc? Does it tell you how to practice the parts where you're struggling? > connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard Please don't do that. I mean, if you just want to give it a try to pi…

> An app is not the best way to learn piano.

To many beginners starting out, the term "learn piano" can be used in a generic way and could mean anything from becoming a classical concert pianist, a Rick Wakeman-esque rock keyboardist, a Daft Punk-like synthesist, a digital composer creating symphonic cinema scores out of virtual software plug-in orchestras - or they may want to target the flexibility to "do it all." I'm a largely self-taught, hobbyist digital producer who loves my 61-key MIDI-only, synth action Fatar key beds but we started our elementary-aged kid with a Julliard-trained classical piano teacher and bought a $600 88-key, fully weighted Casio MIDI keyboard for home practice. The Casio sound engine doesn't sound as good as the virtual Bosendorfer in my laptop but it's more than good enough and our kid has benefited greatly from having traditional instruction (for form, posture, bad-habit prevention, etc) but also enjoys practicing teacher-approved pieces with a tablet-based, gamified MIDI app that reports practice frequency, accuracy, speed, timing variance, etc stats back to the teacher to inform progress as well as areas for improvement.

Your advice would be generally applicable to a beginner with goals similar to my kid but off target for a beginner with goals like mine.

>> connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard

I agree that just saying "cheap midi keyboard" needs a warning that there are some really poor quality keybeds on the lower-end. The issue is not just the "weighting" of the keys not matching a mechanical piano but also wobble side to side, inconsistent trigger depth, no velocity sensitivity. These issues can substantially impact basic playability and expressiveness to the extent that much of the practice may not fully translate to decent (ie more "standard") key beds.

> non-weighted keys will limit you a lot

This depends on whether the learner wants to be able to play a traditional mechanical piano which is what "weighted" key beds emulate. Weighted key beds respond very differently compared to what's called "synth action" key beds. Real piano keys require substantially more finger pressure to actuate, go down slower, and come back up slower. The trigger curve is also different than synth action. Personally, I actually prefer a high-quality synth action key bed. I have over a dozen different high-quality synth action key beds on various MIDI-only keyboards as well as synthesizers I've acquired over two decades of playing. While I'm very particular about the feel of the key beds I use, my goal has never been to be a "piano player" but rather a "keyboardist". I feel this is more a matter of personal preference and goals than objective right or wrong. My advice to beginners is to be aware of the differences and make an informed choice by first visiting a music store like Guitar Center and trying out several key beds of different types and quality levels. Regardless of their goals I generally advise beginners to stay away from any MIDI-only controller keyboards which are less than $200 new MSRP or any MIDI+sound source keyboards which are less than $400 new MSRP as those likely have meaningful compromises in basic quality or features to reach that price point. If someone's not experienced, it's also generally a good idea to lean toward better-known brands like Yamaha, Korg, Roland, etc and read pro reviewer's assessments.

> The sound is terrible

Many people these days don't have the space or funds for a real piano (and even a small one can be heavier than a fridge). If it's not a real piano, then you're triggering a virtual sound source. The quality of any virtual sound source is a more a matter of DSP processing power, sample memory, algorithm quality, etc. There are some very good virtual piano sound engines in relatively inexpensive MIDI keyboards (especially used via Craigslist) as well as in laptop, tablet and even phone-based MIDI software apps. I have a virtually modeled Bosendorfer Grand Piano software plug-in on my Dell XPS 2-in-1 laptop that's pretty indistinguishable from a real one.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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Can it get you to Marc Rebillet's [0] level in 5 years of a few hours per day practice? He makes it look so effortless and I can't even begin to imagine the flow state he's experiencing. [0] https://youtu.be/XMFnkKWXgKw?t=203

That guy is absolutely incredible. I posted this on HN a while ago but it sank without a trace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBwRfQbXkg

Yeah, I just wish he'd veer off more often to these incredible improv jazz lands (like the one I posted) in his live streams. They might not be as catchy as the short loops he's currently pushing out, but damn, aren't they just delightful!
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