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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by robswc »

dehrmann wrote: post #22

> Jin’s co-conspirators created fake email accounts and Company-1 accounts in the names of others, including PRC political dissidents, to fabricate evidence that the hosts of and participants in the meetings to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre were supporting terrorist organizations, inciting violence or distributing child pornography. The fabricated evidence falsely asserted that the meetings included discu…

This is more of a general statement... but I find it odd how fast people write off stuff like this as "impossible" - or they just don't believe it could happen. Fair enough, its unlikely but all the same, stranger things have happened before.

I'd say almost every "claim" is worth investigating, even a little bit.

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Post by Symbiote »

darkhorn wrote: post #173
astura wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did they get these pictures? They look like mugshots but he's not in custody.

Turkey takes photos of everyone who enters or leaves the country. May be it is practiced in USA too.

Yes, the USA does this too. So does the EU, although the USA goes further as even transit passengers are fingerprinted.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by vineyardmike »

hyperrail wrote: post #105

Here's Zoom's own public statement on the matter: https://blog.zoom.us/our-perspective-on-the-doj-complaint/ The statement also says that Zoom itself is under separate US federal investigations for its dealings with Chinese and other foreign governments, as well as its security and privacy practices more generally.

> We have also placed other employees on administrative leave pending the completion of our investigation.

How has no one mentioned that zoom also seems to think there may be other employees involved?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by redis_mlc »

camdenlock wrote: post #129
octoberfranklin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a left vs right thing. If Mitch McConnell were Attorney General he would drop the case too. Basically most of our politicians (on both sides) have sold out to China and a very few haven't.

Well that sounds terrifying. Got any sources?

If you want to learn how the CCP works, watch the NTD/Epoch Times channels on Youtube. The CCP has had an undeclared war against the US since the 1950's, starting with Mao.

A short summary of CCP "elite capture" is:

- Mitch McConnell's wife is high-level CCP royalty

- the CCP spy Fang Fang "dated" several US politicians

- Hunter Biden is thoroughly compromised by the CCP

- it appears the CCP owns Dominion, the voting machine used in 29 states.

- the Thousand Talents program has signed up over 7,000 foreign professors and researchers. They agree to license patents to China, and not to criticize the CCP.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by jonathanstrange »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

In our team at our university we evaluated all of the common products in March and Zoom offered the best features, reliability, and ease of use.

What other software allows a large number of people to meet, has good audio and image quality even when many people are connected, has easy switching between fullscreen, windowed mode and screen sharing, allows you to re-arrange the participant videos on screen, allows you to share documents by drag & drop, allows you to raise a hand in the participant list, is easy to install and works on all platforms, allows connecting via an ID/link and an optional password, allows the presenter to see all participants while sharing the screen, allows the host to mute participants, has good auto-feedback suppression, and allows the host to transfer host authority to any other user and to optionally control who is entering?

All of these features are essential for us. Is there something else that has all these features?

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Post by jonathanstrange »

tkinom wrote: post #187
spondyl wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I remember, when remote working during the pandemic first started due to lockdowns, Zoom blew up because it was quite literally one click and you're in a call. The initial installer would do some funky stuff in the ground I believe to bypass a lot of the usual install friction. Once it was discovered, Zoom's installation process became a little bit slower. Next, calls were being "broken into" because there…

Wonder how it beat Google hangout/meet - That can be run all browsers without any install with one click also.

I can tell you that. At least when we tried it out in early 2020, Google meet was unable to display other participants to the person who shared his screen. Maybe that has changed by now (or we didn't figure out how to do it) but it was the decisive factor for us then.

Imagine talking to your own slides for 2 hours without any visual feedback from the audience...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by azalemeth »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #140
rayiner wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

"means some meaningful threshold has been passed." In UK we've been putting innocent people in jail for 20 years, because of bugs in accounting software. It was going unnoticed and noone would believe them untill recently. We are talking hundreds of people. If it happened to a single person, noone would ever find oit the truth. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/0138cd7d-967...

This Financial Times article is paywalled, and, moreover, the FT didn't actually do any of the investigative journalism required to show this. Private Eye, however, did, and their report is free online: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/justice-lost-i... -- Private Eye was very good at banging the drum for many years and eventually the mainstream media cottoned on and -- following that -- several miscarriages of justice were reversed.

Note that in Britain, following a Tory amendment to the law, you can only get legal aid if you have assets less then £37.5k -- so if you own a home, and are charged (incorrectly!) with criminal proceedings, which you then win, expect to sell it to pay the legal bills. Once you win, you'll get...nothing. No fees. Just a "release the defendant from the dock" and you're good to go. If you get imprisoned, and THEN are found innocent later on, maybe, say, 30 years later (as has happened!) expect to get....nothing. I really recommend "The Secret Barrister" both as a book and a blog. Nobody stands up for funding criminal justice properly -- because what politician wants to support the rights of the accused? -- but it's badly breaking. https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/02/02/mr-gove-must-now-h...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by hef19898 »

cwwc wrote: post #25
gruez wrote: post #15

Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

True - unless he visits a country (like Huawei’s CFO did in Canada) where he is snagged at request of the US

Which itself is kind of troubling. ut than again, international arrest warrants have been abused for decades.

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Post by yorwba »

wbl wrote: post #128
dx87 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, the banning accounts part isn't new info. They were called out for it and I think their reasoning was that at the time they didn't have a way to just block certain regions from a meeting, so they banned the meetings altogether because people from China were joining them, and they wanted to stay on the CCPs good side.

This indictment shows that was a pack of lies. This wasn't corporate policy working through regular channels.

The complaint by the DOJ alleges that

> Jin and his co-conspirators fabricated evidence of TOS violations to provide justification for terminating the meetings, as well as certain participants’ accounts. Jin then tasked a high-ranking employee of Company-1 in the United States to effect the termination of meetings and the suspension and cancellation of user accounts.

Which does sound like corporate policy working through regular channels, but those channels were compromised.

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