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New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

#191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brexit will put the kabosh on much of that I imagine. When the borders are closed to the rest of Europe it will be quite easy to make cars from unfriendly jurisdictions illegal on UK roads or to require the equivalent of a visa to bring a car registered in one of those uncooperative nations into the country.

Unlikely, as we lose access to potential sources of cooperation from the EU and we have a government in thrall to the dangerous driving lobby.

> dangerous driving lobby.

No such thing exists

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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> To the inevitable dismay of U.K. street racers who > primarily partake in their favorite illegal motorsport > after hours, the TruCam II also features night mode > whereas the first TruCam, which has already reportedly > been in use for the past six years, only worked during the > daytime. I think this really comes down to the letter of the law vs the spirit of it. To the spirit of the law, i.e. saving third-party…

Sorry, you’re totally wrong. The spirit of the law is not just to save third party lives. When you cause an accident, you drain society’s emergency response resources (and increase the premiums of those in your insurance pool). 35mph vs 30mph is a terrible example - this is the scenario where pedestrians and cyclists are most likely to be around. 75mph vs 70mph would have been a better example. Driving at night is mo…

A few points on this: society doesn’t make speed limits, municipal administrators (and sometimes small town police themselves) do. The speed limits are often set by observation, and they intentionally leave a large number of drivers over that limit (they say this is for safety, but it seems to also be for revenue generation). Look up 85th percentile speed.

So some politicians and engineers draw a line so that 15% of the population is in violation and will change the speed limit at any point that this isn’t true (if nobody is in violation, they lower the speed limit). You can’t then cast moral judgment on that 15%. It’s intentional criminalization of the citizenry, even though it’s generally with the intent of saving lives.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reference to a 2 minute conversation from an episode of top gear from 10 years ago, beautiful work.

Its a fair point though. They couldn’t even be bothered to look into my Dads stolen boat engine because it was only worth £10,000 - even though he had a pretty good lead about the organized outfit that did it.

I mean, does anyone really think these cameras and fines are really to ensure public safety? Seems more like taxation and fear mongering.

If the UK police are anything like the US, they don’t care about theft even if you have a solid lead and evidence. Theft reporting is purely for statistics.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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My issue with the strict enforcement of speed limits is that safe speed for a given stretch of road varies drastically based on conditions. These would include weather, light level, traffic density, vehicle capabilities and condition, and driver experience and aptitude.

It's not possible to set an optimal speed limit for all these conditions, so normally speed limits are set quite conservatively. Of course it is theoretically a limit, not a target, so you could instead set it closer to the target speed for ideal conditions and expect people to slow in other conditions. That is done in some parts of the world, but not most. And so in somewhat of a causal loop, many drivers therefore consider the speed limit to be a target rather than a maximum, and don't apply a lot of judgement in determining safe speed.

My belief is that (with sufficient time and training to reach a status quo) a system with less strict or no speed limits, and instead a focus on safe driving, would encourage drivers to be more thoughtful and attentive, and result in fewer accidents and possibly even fewer injuries and fatalities. This could include design elements such as traffic calming where appropriate to encourage an appropriate speed without using conservative speed limits. Perhaps an increase in consequences for at-fault collisions would make sense in conjunction as well.

I do recall seeing some evidence that increasing or removing speed limits can reduce collisions, although perhaps not fatal ones. On the other hand, I can certainly understand if one did believe that lower speed limits save lives, one could argue it's better to over-enforce the limits and risk wasting people's time than under-enforce them and risk wasting lives. Also any increase in legal subjectivity increases the risk of unfair enforcement. So I don't think there's necessarily an obvious best approach.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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> To the inevitable dismay of U.K. street racers who > primarily partake in their favorite illegal motorsport > after hours, the TruCam II also features night mode > whereas the first TruCam, which has already reportedly > been in use for the past six years, only worked during the > daytime. I think this really comes down to the letter of the law vs the spirit of it. To the spirit of the law, i.e. saving third-party…

IDK about the UK, but in Germany street racers have killed many innocent bystanders, just for the crime of crossing the street at night. So yes please, enforce rules more strongly. In fact, even ambulances crash into each other every now and then at night, because they usually drive without their horns (technically then they aren't allowed to run red lights, only if it's been sounding for at least 15 seconds, but peo…

I'm in the UK, and by the time you've reached a certain age, we've all heard of families torn about by bad driving. The couple who we bought our house from, the mother pulled out in front of two racers just down the road from us and ended up with life changing injuries, unable to walk and with brain damage. A little boy at our local nursery died along with his father hitting a van head on who'd crossed the road taking a corner too fast.

It's not just boy racers, but plenty of older men and women who are reckless and inpatient in their usual driving. There are people who think that their luxury cars are an excuse to break the road rules as well as the rules of common courtesy.

Despite the UK having one of the safest road networks in the world, still around 75 people die or are seriously injured per week in car accidents. For a preventable injury that is still far too high.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #175
post #77

> To the inevitable dismay of U.K. street racers who > primarily partake in their favorite illegal motorsport > after hours, the TruCam II also features night mode > whereas the first TruCam, which has already reportedly > been in use for the past six years, only worked during the > daytime. I think this really comes down to the letter of the law vs the spirit of it. To the spirit of the law, i.e. saving third-party…

Sorry, you’re totally wrong. The spirit of the law is not just to save third party lives. When you cause an accident, you drain society’s emergency response resources (and increase the premiums of those in your insurance pool). 35mph vs 30mph is a terrible example - this is the scenario where pedestrians and cyclists are most likely to be around. 75mph vs 70mph would have been a better example. Driving at night is mo…

Keep in mind that how strict the speed limits are seems to vary significantly by local laws and driving culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_Sta...

So what might be unacceptable "speedo pedo"ism where you live might be completely normal going 5 miles over the posted speed limit elsewhere. My personal experience is that people tend to drive at a speed they feel safe at, and don't pay that much attention to the signs.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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My issue with the strict enforcement of speed limits is that safe speed for a given stretch of road varies drastically based on conditions. These would include weather, light level, traffic density, vehicle capabilities and condition, and driver experience and aptitude. It's not possible to set an optimal speed limit for all these conditions, so normally speed limits are set quite conservatively. Of course it is theo…

The U.K. does have variable speed limits on most major motorways that change with conditions, congestion etc, with LED signs that display the current speed limit.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it another level. Every car should have a chip. Once you are in a speed limit - your car can't go faster. Oh wait, this wont generate revenue - so it wont work. Never mind.

> very car should have a chip. Once you are in a speed limit - your car can't go faster. This is actually dangerous because people need the ability to use discretion. Suppose you're transporting a part to repair a machine which is causing a fatality every five seconds as long as it's offline. Getting there 20 seconds faster saves four lives. Do you still want a chip that prevents you from exceeding the speed limit? >…

Is that Homo Economicus driving the delivery truck?

You'd expect a machine that saves a life every 5 seconds to have some kind of investment in redundancy. Either is spread over more machines or the wonder device has spare parts that are kept stocked.

And if not, I'm sure parliament could pass a law to clear the streets for the day.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

I’ll assume you aren’t in the U.K. (which this article is about), because the U.K. system is almost exactly as you describe!

> Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photograph it again many kilometers later. If you get there too soon, then at some point, you must have been speeding.

Uk has a combination of:

* Average speed cameras (as per the Norway example)

* Variable speed cameras (where the speed limit varies depending on the conditions of the road and congestion)

* Fixed speed cameras (traditional speed cameras dug in next to a road)

* Mobile speed cameras (as per the bbc article, with a purpose to make sure the position changes each day so locals don’t know where the cameras are).

> These systems are safer for police and drivers as there are no traffic stops for speeding.

Traffic stops in the U.K. are very rare, and even mobile cameras just send the documentation to your registered address with no stop. A stop would only be done in the U.K. if there was a belief that the driving was putting others at immediate risk (eg appears drunk).

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

America, as well, even in broad daylight: https://www.fox13news.com/news/suspected-bayshore-street-rac...

Police killings are a bigger problem here.

Really? American police kill about 1000 people a year and the vast, vast majority of these killings are totally justified cases where deadly force was used to stop an imminent deadly threat. On the other hand about 36,000 people died on American roads last year and it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where any of them could have been necessary.

The real difference is that road deaths are far less likely to trigger a media circus.

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