Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

blog.youtube

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 1001 posts

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#191

Post by NDizzle »

gitweb wrote: post #53
BitwiseFool wrote: post #31

I abhor this, but what can be done about it? I genuinely don't know how to push back against measures like these and I'm hoping people here have some ideas.

If you don't like it, you can upload your videos to one of the other 1000's of platforms or sign up for a shared web host and utilize P2P video sharing.

Yep. You can make your own video uploader. Then build your own hosting provider. Which would use a payment processor that you also built. Which handles transactions from a bank that you created yourself as well.

Because if you step out of line on Accepted Thought And Speech, you get cancelled.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#193

Post by logicslave »

dylan604 wrote: post #160
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

This is disgusting

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#194

Post by Veedrac »

compiler-guy wrote: post #124

With apologies to H.L. Mencken [1] "Freedom of video publishing belongs to those who own the platform." The good news is that anyone can own a platform these days. If you want to publish something, you can do it yourself very easily. You don't have to have youtube do it for you. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/05/21/free-press/#:~:text... .

This is a really dangerous line of argument for an example where one platform has a de-facto monopoly on views, whose censorship is fine-grained enough that people open to these other ideas simply won't be able to find them.

It makes a lot of sense for individual publications, or even Reddit banning certain communities, since people looking for alternatives will know to do so. It's a lot more insidious in a case like this, since there's no clear indication that anything is missing.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#195

Post by chillacy »

ausjke wrote: post #113

'do not be evil' was thrown away by google a few years ago. it's a shame high tech now acts as the censorship government. too big to be neutral? time to change the law.

It was thrown away because apparently everyone disagrees about what “evil” is. Congress brings tech ceos and then subjects them to partisan grilling where every action is alternately praised and condemned depending on party.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#196

Post by ainiriand »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

One tend to think that what is good/bad for one will be like that for everyone. In this case, stopping misinformation, is better for the average citizen and then better for the society.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#197

Post by giantg2 »

dleslie wrote: post #144
bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

For the existing folks, almost certainly, but it prevents the spread of misinformation; and more importantly, it prevents the _repetitive reinforcement_ of misinformation.

Maybe for that one platform on this one issue. It wouldn't prevent the major networks from repeatedly spreading misinformation, nor on unidentified issues. I remember for years the major networks were stating that the gender wage gap was the difference between a man and a woman in the same job with all else being equal. Yet the BLS study they were getting the numbers from show a fundamentally different issue.

YouTube can censor whatever and however they want. I just don't see this as making much of an impact either way.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#198

Post by ralusek »

sixothree wrote: post #141
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Why do you put "the truth" in quotes? Are you honestly questioning the validity of this election?

I think they were implying that when people advocate for censorship, they seem to be the ones that have a very secure concept on "the truth," when in reality there is no such thing.

For example, there HAS been voter fraud uncovered this election, because there is voter fraud EVERY election. The question is one of magnitude. Has the Trump administration been able to provide evidence sufficient to actually change the result of the election? No. Most conservative pundits I have seen are extremely clear about this distinction. But is this going to ban them discussing it, or discussing new evidence that is being brought forward?

As other users have mentioned, this country went through 3 years of hearing about Russian collusion during an investigation that ultimately provided no evidence of that having been an issue capable of unseating the president or delegitimizing that election. Throughout that period, I didn't hear any arguments saying that discussion of that topic should have been censored, and that is a good thing.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#199

Post by tjr225 »

invalidusernam3 wrote: post #159
bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

I think you're overestimating the average internet user. A lot of people think that because they view something online, it gives it authority. They fail to understand anyone can (and does) post content online. I've often thought this way of thinking is a remnant of the media we've consumed in the past, where there were higher standards because producing media was more exclusive. Think print, radio, TV. On those mediu…

It is so strange to me specifically because the cohort that seems to be eating this up(my parents age, I mean) were the same ones telling me NOT to believe anything I read on the internet when I was young and the internet was new.

What happened?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#200

Post by shadowgovt »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

It's a private company. If you don't like their slant, use another private company.

I swear, it's like people have never had to cancel a newspaper subscription before.

Post reply on HN