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Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by ok_coo »

ubermonkey wrote: post #151

Honestly, the arguments in this series of posts are not strong. I laughed out loud when I got to his complaints about Apple's headphone chips and the ease of pairing they allow -- and how it's somehow unfair that Apple, having developed this competitive advantage, is refusing to share it with other companies. What IS it about Apple that makes a certain class of tech geek feel like they have to dislike them in such a…

Because of their behavior. A recent example is their actions around (not) allowing cloud gaming on their platform.

xCloud and Stadia have been trying to get iOS apps setup and Apple keeps stopping the apps. Apple does not have their own cloud gaming platform. They have been hypocritical about what apps and behavior they do or don't allow on their iOS platform.

Cloud gaming is just one recent example, is this behavior not worth of antitrust?

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by novok »

specialist wrote: post #190

From the OC: "Censorship: Apple manages a global set of App Stores and cooperates with law enforcement in each jurisdiction in which it operates. ..." Okay. We agree. What's the fix? -- This censorship food fight is at least two problems. #1 Which rule of law applies to international companies? This is foreign policy. Just like trade agreements, treaties. USA flagged corporations like Google, Apple, Facebook need a f…

You remove the master key nature that they have over their services and devices and let people manage their own master keys. I.e. let other app store happen, do not require apple to be the sole dispenser of keys, let side loading happen, etc.

That removes a lot of profit from their %30 cut although, so they are directly incentivized to prevent that from happening

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Post by fierarul »

bitexploder wrote: post #176
fierarul wrote: post #101

I'd estimate that the more one rationalises this the less likely to actually switch away from Apple. It's actually quite simple: let things run their course. When the iPhone becomes too lousy, don't buy another iPhone. When the Apple Watch gets broken, don't buy another Apple Watch. When the laptop won't work, get something else. Step by step you realise all the Apple gear you have is just broken or old stuff.

I am in that boat after some painful experiences with my 2018 Macbook Pro. Battery bloated and wrecked the keyboard and touchpad. That combined with the OS continued to go be "iOSified" I am out. Back to Linux for me. The phone... that is harder, Android phones just aren't as good as iPhones, and that is okay. The quality of both Macbooks and MacOS have been in decline for some time now and it is quite disappointing.…

Embrace the crappiness and call it stoicism.

My Xiaomi phone is nowhere near the iPhone but it does provide 95% at 20% prices. The smart band is no Apple Watch but it was $20.

The Lenovo is no head turner but it is 16 threads at 30% the price and the display is decent.

Just as Apple evolved so did the rest of the world.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by CharlesW »

ok_coo wrote: post #191
ubermonkey wrote: post #151

Honestly, the arguments in this series of posts are not strong. I laughed out loud when I got to his complaints about Apple's headphone chips and the ease of pairing they allow -- and how it's somehow unfair that Apple, having developed this competitive advantage, is refusing to share it with other companies. What IS it about Apple that makes a certain class of tech geek feel like they have to dislike them in such a…

Because of their behavior. A recent example is their actions around (not) allowing cloud gaming on their platform. xCloud and Stadia have been trying to get iOS apps setup and Apple keeps stopping the apps. Apple does not have their own cloud gaming platform. They have been hypocritical about what apps and behavior they do or don't allow on their iOS platform. Cloud gaming is just one recent example, is this behavior…

> xCloud and Stadia have been trying to get iOS apps setup and Apple keeps stopping the apps.

Apple did indeed do that before they had guidelines that could accommodate this new streaming app distribution model. But now they do.[1]

These companies can choose other platforms if the iOS platform experience doesn't meet their needs, OR choose to support an iOS-compatible web distribution experience.[2]

[1] "Apple’s new App Store guidelines carve out loopholes for xCloud, Stadia, and other apps that Apple had blocked": https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/11/21432695/apple-new-app-st...

[2] "Microsoft is bringing xCloud to iOS via the web": https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/8/21508706/microsoft-xcloud...

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by ghaff »

selectodude wrote: post #177
mrweasel wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was an EU regulation, but perhaps not. In Denmark you can't bind customers to a mobile contract for more than six month. You can sell them a phone and have them pay that off for 24 months, but that different, you can pay that off at anytime, for a fee. That's also why you're not getting a new phone from your carrier every two years like most Americans seems to do.

Phone subsidies have completely disappeared in the United States. Phone companies will finance your phone over 24-30 months but you can cancel the contract (and the interest free financing) at any time.

It's sort of interesting that, if you had told people 5+ years ago that phone subsidies were going away, a lot of them would have predicted a lot of doom and gloom for Apple and other smartphone makers. In fact, I bet if you looked around, you could probably find articles and reports to that effect.

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Post by tartoran »

acdha wrote: post #189
encom wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they’re coming from a place of legitimate grievance Kill the white devil Kill the white devil Kill the white devil Kill the white devil There's no way to talk around the fact that that's just racist as fuck.

Again, read the entire song. It’s not exactly profound but if you aren’t cherry-picking it seems a lot more likely that they’re referring to the people who supported the colonization, slavery, and other violence mentioned earlier in the song. That’s why I mentioned the history since those were widespread real problems which still affect millions of people whereas the average white person has no credible reason to fea…

I'm white and not a racist at all (have multicultural family, think we're all capable humans but also think any race/religion can have its antisocial parasites amongst them) but do find that song more as stirring hate rather than coming from a place of grievance. The song is putting all whiteness and all history in one bucket and setting it on fire. That's no different than a white guy being mugged by a black guy and crying black is evil and pointing at the guy's color. This song doesn't help the black cause at all, the blacks in America have indeed been deprived and put down and am willing to put a hand and stop it

What happened to the unifying message of love? Hate is divisive and never brought anything good to the table.

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Post by zamalek »

theshrike79 wrote: post #66
zamalek wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called Plugshare and it works with most networks, and probably only works on Android (due to Apple's payment restrictions).

YMMV. I can't pay on any of the charging points I use, not on iOS or Android. Even if I could, it'd most likely use the roaming price of $FUCKTON, so no thanks.

Yeah, I typically use Electrify America (range anxiety has been replaced by "is the charger broken anxiety" and EA is hella reliable), and they don't support Plugshare. Apparently they are working on account identification through the charging cable, if that catches on this mess could really be a thing of the past. I'm going off-topic, though.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by acdha »

tartoran wrote: post #197
acdha wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, read the entire song. It’s not exactly profound but if you aren’t cherry-picking it seems a lot more likely that they’re referring to the people who supported the colonization, slavery, and other violence mentioned earlier in the song. That’s why I mentioned the history since those were widespread real problems which still affect millions of people whereas the average white person has no credible reason to fea…

I'm white and not a racist at all (have multicultural family, think we're all capable humans but also think any race/religion can have its antisocial parasites amongst them) but do find that song more as stirring hate rather than coming from a place of grievance. The song is putting all whiteness and all history in one bucket and setting it on fire. That's no different than a white guy being mugged by a black guy and…

I don’t disagree. It’s not a song I like but my point was just that I think it’s in the genre of “hurt people sometimes lash out” rather than a sincere call for genocide, and that it doesn’t pack the punch of being associated with decent ability to actually cause harm.

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Post by fsflover »

zepto wrote: post #187
fsflover wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot achieve perfection from the first step...

Sure but there is no reason to force people not to buy what they want.

What are your talking about? I suggested an alternative, didn't force anyone to do anything.
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