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Re: Hire people who give a shit

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This article is megalomaniacal. Insisting that your company with 200+ employees will only hire people who will work themselves to the bone without any mention of how those people will be properly compensated is wild corporate propaganda. I honestly don’t know why the tech industry continues to capitulate to leaders like this who obviously, and loudly, mistreat and dehumanize their employees by insisting that if you a…

I have been shitting all over people like this for a long time and trying to get people to see the light that a job is a job and nothing more, but then I get blamed for having a “mercenary mentality” and “not a team player”. You are renting your skills to an entity that needs your skills for an agreed upon rate for a certain amount of time. If another employer offers you a better situation and your current employer d…

Loyalty isn't rewarded, at all, unless there's an additional reason for the reward that can be disguised under 'loyalty', where 'reward for loyalty' is pointed to as an internal marketing exercise to motivate the workforce.

As soon as the underlying reason(s) no longer exist, loyalty will be revealed to have evaporated.

I've seen it multiple times at multiple companies. A couple of which were employees of over twenty years with the respective companies. None of which were bad places to work, or in any way brutal with their employment policies or conditions.

That's just how it is.

The best thing to give a shit about is the quality of your own work. That will serve you well for now and the future.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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post #116

The comments here at HN are quite harsh imho and I feel bad for possibly ruining someone's day. Is there a way for me to delete the submission? I posted it on HN as I liked the points in the article. The points in the post are reasonable provided there's fair equity for the employees (which I believe is disclosed prior to joining - I have no knowledge about dilution, preference etc). I also agree with the commenters…

What you’re seeing is the response of The Hacker community. The most wise thing you can do is listen, especially if you disagree.

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Re: Hire people who give a shit

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I don't give a shit about your company, because it's your company. I don't actually have a say in what's going on. I can't refuse to do what I'm told because I disagree with the direction of the company's mission. I'd get fired.

I might give a shit about the mission, in as much as you can give a shit about the trite verbiage assigned to, in essense, the general thing that's supposed to increase shareholder dividends. But the mission is very frequently lost in the minutia of doing one's job. Does the mission relate to how I'm going to fill out this change management form? No; the change management process isn't based on the mission, it's based on its own thing. I give a shit about the change management process. If I only gave a shit about the mission, I might say, "screw change management!" And then I wouldn't be very good at my job.

And "giving a shit" based on who's interpretation? I can tell you that I give far too much of a shit about how my company works, and if I voiced this frequently, people would be absolutely sick of me. My manager sometimes reminds me - in the nicest terms - to calm the fuck down about the work. You don't want the whole company filled with people like me, because they'd drive each other bonkers. A few of us are nice for variety, and to pop up occasionally and say, "Hey, do we have a central place we can put all this documentation rather than a lot of independent places?" And then calm the fuck down and focus on just writing the damn docs.

You should want people to care, in a healthy way, both about the thing they're working on and the way in which they work on it. But you should never want them to be obsessed.

Obsession, n: Compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea or an unwanted feeling or emotion, often accompanied by symptoms of anxiety.

If you want this for your employees, you need to get a grip and re-evaluate life.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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I am sure the author will - impressively - read these comments and be further emboldened he was right all along. He appears to have limited capacity for self-awareness or self-doubt, which is to say, he exudes an impenetrable armor of self-righteousness. With that mentality, maybe he'll become President too.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot culture fit under “what matters” /s

No, "culture fit" is the excuse used to reject people without reason, and it how companies ensure they don't employ people with different accents. "culture fit" is the synonym for "same as us".

Culture add is better than culture fit anyway. what can this person add to the character of our team that we don't already have? Insight from a completely different career field in their past? Dry humor? Brilliantly timed Star Trek quotes? I've found advising my subordinate leaders to look for culture adds instead of fits takes a lot off their backs when interviewing for things other than checking off the list of familiar technologies.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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This article is megalomaniacal. Insisting that your company with 200+ employees will only hire people who will work themselves to the bone without any mention of how those people will be properly compensated is wild corporate propaganda. I honestly don’t know why the tech industry continues to capitulate to leaders like this who obviously, and loudly, mistreat and dehumanize their employees by insisting that if you a…

I've worked in industries(gamedev) that bias towards hiring people who "give a shit". It leads to that passion being exploited into crunch time, burnout and all the fun things that entails.

What I've found is that you should be building teams where you "give a shit about the people". That doesn't mean that we don't work hard and that we don't tackle interesting problems. It does mean that we plan for the long term and pace things accordingly. That you make opportunities for people to grow both technically and in their career. That we succeed as a team and not due to the rock-star behavior of one or two individuals.

My experience is this builds high-trust teams that are resilient, adaptable and often product even better work than teams who over-index on the domain space. They bring diverse perspective and have significant less turn-over which is a compounding effect. While the tech stack or product you built is important, in the end it was the team that created it and where you should invest if you want to continue to see success over time.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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post #130

And the inverse: have a business which is worthy of shit-giving. It’s extremely hard to give a shit about Yet Another Middleware CRUD CRM Layer Corp. There’s a fine balancing point between working a bullshit job ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs ) and recognizing that no, the B-Ark ( https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_... ) is a bad idea, we really do need telephone handset saniti…

> For another, it’s going to bias you towards treating, e.g., janitors as subhuman, and that way is the path to a very bad place. Do you have any more thoughts about this point? In my own life I’ve seen some of my friends with hotshot jobs develop this sort of mentality, and I sort of don’t know what to make of it. I want to be like “this is a toxic attitude to have!” but at the same time I can’t make a better argume…

I only have moral arguments for moral questions. Certainly the idea that humans, because they are human and for that reason alone, have inherent worth is not exactly new. It is seductively easy to start thinking you're above other people because of what you have, or what you know, or what you can do. It's not true, but a relatively dirty part of ourselves certainly wants it to be.

"The basis for determining the value of human work is not primarily the kind of work being done but the fact that the one who is doing it is a person." [0]

“And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.” [1]

[0] http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/do...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_Jugulum

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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From personal experience this guys sales pitch is used to defend and glorify the worst work cultures. Having worked at a place for 12 years believing that my contribution was vital and necessary and then seeing that conception unwind in two months was the best education _ever_.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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Imagine a 20-something thinking he's seen or experienced enough of the world--any of it--to go on like this.

He essentially lucked into VC funding by exploiting sweatshop labor while riding a hyped ML/AI market. It's a testament to how messed up this industry is.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

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post #27

> The uncomfortable truth is that most people don’t give a shit. For example, it’s absolutely shocking that the common paradigm for engineers at Google is to come in at 11am and leave at 4pm. In no world can you be working 5 hours a day and be giving a shit, and so the conclusion is that very little meaningful work gets done at Google. Maybe a bit of a hyperbole, but not far from the truth. That culture is broken. Ma…

Google is a giant company, so surely somewhere there are some people who behave this way—-among a hundred thousand employees and hundreds of groups you will find at little bit of everything.

But in the groups I have worked for, solid full days are the norm, and somewhat rarely you have to really dig in and work a bit more, and even more rarely, you have so much slack that you can go hone early. But generally people nearly always put in full days.

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