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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by vbezhenar »

vosper wrote: post #168
userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

> Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer Can you explain the existence of the MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro?

They restrict user with every new macOS release.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by pshc »

catlifeonmars wrote: post #166
userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

Many people, although certainly not everyone, are perfectly ok with this. I, for one, don’t have the expectation that my iOS devices are general purpose computers. I have the expectation that the device works with zero configuration for a set of fixed purposes in a design language that I’m accustomed to. That’s it.

Exactly! When I’m on my phone I want to use the internet, take pictures, use banking apps, access email and Dropbox, and watch video. That’s mostly it.

I don’t expect or want to be productive, as security is more important.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by fxtentacle »

threeseed wrote: post #44
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

No, only 0.15 trillion [1] spread out over roughly 1 mio games and 3.4 mio non-gaming apps [2]. So that's a mere $35k in average lifetime value. But as anyone used to lying with statistics knows, the average revenue is much higher than the median revenue. In Apple's case, the factor appears to be 56x [3].

So the typical App Store app makes $630 in total over its entire lifetime. That's surely not enough to finance its development.

Accordingly, I am convinced that pretty much all iOS developers lose money on their apps. A very few lucky winners get rich, and everyone else is treated as disposable.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/apple-app-store-had-estimate...

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/268251/number-of-apps-in...

[3] https://medium.com/@sm_app_intel/a-bunch-of-average-app-reve...

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by josephcsible »

mullingitover wrote: post #128
kencausey wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm generally curious and somewhat ignorant on this subject. I would appreciate if you could explain why it is irrelevant.

The original complaint was that you can't run your own unapproved code on your iDevice. I explained why this was false, and then the goalposts were moved to to some other concern.

If it only works until Apple stops signing your certificate, then it's not "unapproved".

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by jsjohnst »

cgijoe wrote: post #177

Call me crazy, but I'll bet this has something to do with youtube-dl and the RIAA DMCA takedown. Apple probably got wind that you could install youtube-dl on iSH and "infringe" on copyright.

As the old saying goes, “correlation != causation”

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by notreallytrue »

mullingitover wrote: post #88
jacquesm wrote: post #20

PSA: You don't actually own your i* devices. You did pay for them but someone else controls them and determines what you get to run on them.

Incorrect. You can do local builds and installs of any code you like.

Incorrect

You're assuming that owning an iPhone means you also own Apple hw to build the apps

It's not obvious

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by mullingitover »

kevincox wrote: post #144
mullingitover wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked it was possible to run Mac OS in a VM on linux and install via USB tether. This isn't quite the grade school level of difficulty, but if you're using linux as your daily driver you're already accustomed to doing things the hardest way.

IIUC this isn't legal as the macOS license doesn't allow running it on non-Apple hardware. (unless your Linux box is a Mac of course)

Driving over the speed limit and jaywalking aren't legal either ;)

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by notreallytrue »

mullingitover wrote: post #87

> Advanced users are welcome to build iSH themselves—it’s free and open source and always will be! I mean, the app store fiasco sucks, but at the same time if you're advanced enough to want a command line on an iDevice you're probably advanced enough to do 'git clone', hit the build button in XCode, and do a local install. It's grade school level of difficulty. Ideally they'd offer a release that you can build and in…

You need Apple hardware to build apps

That's not for granted

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by notreallytrue »

mullingitover wrote: post #102
williamscales wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually not sure about that, as far as I can tell there’s no way for me to build the app without having access to another Apple machine running the full MacOS. I just have an iPad and a Linux desktop, which generally suits me fine. So, the App Store fiasco sucks, and doubly so for those who are not already entirely inside Apple’s walled garden.

Last I checked it was possible to run Mac OS in a VM on linux and install via USB tether. This isn't quite the grade school level of difficulty, but if you're using linux as your daily driver you're already accustomed to doing things the hardest way.

It's not legal, unless you own a license that only comes bundled with the Apple hardware and can't be bought separately

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kimsant »

This year I build qoob, an app to interact with an IOT electric scooter parking. In August I had the MVP ready, we build 2 prototypes and could save and charge scooters of all voltages in office halls.

The project is not my main job, so time is precious.

I was asked to create a new functionality: Allow companies to buy and borrow e-scooters between company employees.

But what happened is that I had to implement Apple Login, since FB and Google did work already.

Who should I take care off? Apple or the customer/users? Is it optimal to prioritize the Apple Login, that nobody requested?

I don't care about monopoly persse, I'm concerned because it doesn't let me be user-centric, consumer-centric.

(and I can't leave apple, because I can't leave my users)

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