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Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#191

This model - storing markdown files in a git(hub) repo and editing them on Github is getting more and more popular. It would be great to see Github add a more rich markdown/frontmatter editor to their interface to accomodate this.

Like Codespaces ( https://github.com/features/codespaces )?

I was thinking of a more featureful markdown-based rich text editor, like you might see in a proper CMS.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#192
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It is going to be the 5th iteration of CMS/wiki software. Hopefully this is the right one. 1. Netscape DevEdge 2. MediaWiki 3. Deki Wiki (renamed to MindTouch, closed source since 2013) 4. Kuma 5. Yari There's a nice history here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN_at_ten/History_...

And the problem is that each time the software changes, attributions are lost. I used to be active contributor to MDN with thousands of contributions. Countless hours of volunteer work. When the platform changed and my attributions were lost, I stopped contributing. I had no street cred anymore. I was angry. The switch to GitHub means the same problem once again. Nice way to alienate your community, MDN. Good luck wi…

Since you probably spent hundreds of hours on this, and they are apparently in violation of the license under which you contributed this work, maybe get a lawyer and send them a letter asking for your attribution to be re-instated or removal of all the mis-attributed material?

I mean Mozilla earns hundreds of millions a year and pays its CEO several millions a year, they could have well afforded to not violate your rights by spending a few dev days on writing a proper importer scripts.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#193

So, they say that the system is evolving, but from these parts of the article I would argue that the ease of contributing (which is the important part) is taking a massive hit: > "you will no longer be able to click Edit on a page, make and save a change, and have it show up nearly immediately on the page. You’ll also no longer be able to do your edits in a WYSIWYG editor." > "you won’t have a WYSIWYG to instantly se…

I _wish_ MDN had a user-friendly contribution process. My experience has been _far_ from that. I very much welcome these changes. In late 2017, I spent upwards of 80+ hours standardizing 80 different MDN docs pages so they used the same best-practices layout as other more popular docs pages on the MDN.[1] Of the 85 pages I updated to have better formatting, over 18 were reverted by random contributors within 2 days w…

Does MDN/Kuma not support talk pages like MediaWiki? IRC and other live chat options are good for building a community, but for discussing content changes (and preserving that discussion) keeping that discussion on the wiki is really useful. It's a shame if MDN never realised that.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#194
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Those are unpaid volunteers. If Mozilla robs them attribution for work (and yes this is work), then what's left? Specially now that they fired every single paid worker.

> Those are unpaid volunteers. If Mozilla robs them attribution for work (and yes this is work), then what's left? Warm fuzzy feelings? The knowledge that people read your article thousands of times every day? Honestly, while I agree that it’s a bit sad to lose the attribution, I find it hard to be sympathetic with people who get salty over losing internet points.

That’s so disingenuous.

It’s a knowledge base. It’s well designed documentation. Something that many folks in IT lack at times. Showing people you can properly document knowledge in a collaborative way helps you get hired.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#195

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Those are unpaid volunteers. If Mozilla robs them attribution for work (and yes this is work), then what's left? Specially now that they fired every single paid worker.

Mozilla never promised them any pay in the first place

It’s not about payment it’s about legal open source practices that help foster and protect the community.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

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I assume they could've put it on their resume and gotten something from that. Now it's just baseless claims.

If your potential employer is so skeptical of you that they don’t trust you when you tell them you wrote certain articles on MDN, they’re not likely to hire you in the first place.

If you reference work you do in your own time, I will go look at it. It’s unfair that MDN doesn’t easily make note that their contributions may have been lost to the ether.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#197
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Because HN commenters always feel like they know better and like to talk down on any changes even when they have no context for why the decision was made.

Or, you know, because it’s a legitimate concern that readers on HN value higher than the MDN maintainers.

Having used this site for a long, long time. No, almost never.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#198
I'm working on an editor that lets you clone any repository - which uses a static site generator or the like to render static pages - where my editor lets you edit in WYSIWYG (fully rendered - what you see is what you get) - while producing clean diff's in plain HTML (or markdown), I would love to add support for editing MDN articles.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#199
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Fun fact: I have an open source repo with millions of downloads, tens of thousands of active users, and, for at least a year, a prominently displayed donate button. How much in donations do you think it took in over its lifetime? Hint: it's less than $200. Donations don't really work.

> for at least a year, a prominently displayed donate button. Just to be sure, are you referring to the "BuyMeCoffee" button on the GitHub page for the extension ( https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim )?

Nah, we used to have a more prominent link. It's been removed since I stopped developing on the extension.

Re: MDN Web Docs evolves: Lowdown on the upcoming new platform

#200

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If you've chosen to use a web browser that's forked from an old version of Firefox and isn't aiming for compatibility with modern Web Platform Tests, you're going to encounter a lot of obstacles. The fact that you can't see the server-side code generating the failing client-side code, which you can see, seems like the least of them.

What does creating a PR even need in terms of functionality? It's effectively nothing more than a big HTML form with some inputs, something that's been around and working perfectly fine in browsers for decades . The other comment here about how it's like complaining it does not work in IE6 is really pertinent: Yes it damn well should, because I should not need the latest technology just to do something that would've…

It seems people just don't like to hear the truth.
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