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Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by xixixao »

aunlead wrote: post #188
frankjr wrote: post #59

Fun fact: Charles bridge (depicted in the video) was damaged during a flood in 1890. With the water level risen, broken down rafts were beating its arches and two of them fell apart, along with three pillars that were undermined by the water. During the reconstruction of the pillars, they decided to make them hollow (to cut on the weight) and you can actually go inside! It's not open to the public but there's a video…

Normally I do not pay attention to ads but was curious to know - what was that Santa selling! And I can't speak a word of Czech. 1:26' into the video - Is that guy praying? Read there are statues of Saints on the bridge. Found an image of 1872 flood - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bridge#/media/File:FFr...

The river was used for centuries for transporting wood.

https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voroplavba_v_%C4%8Cech%C3%A1ch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RRowvGeCJA

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by InitialLastName »

cgriswald wrote: post #184
stainforth wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know some of the bureaucracy and economics that go into infrastructure today, but I feel like the decision to commit to a 45 year bridge must've been a whole different consideration for them back then. But then again, they spent much labor and resources creating tombs like the Pyramids.

How about the cathedrals that are scattered across Europe? Some took centuries. People worked on them their whole lives knowing they’d never see the end result. Compared to that, a 45-year bridge seems quick and practical.

There was an article about that recently, focusing on St John the Divine in NYC (which has also been under construction for more than 100 years)[0]. The argument is basically that since, by their nature, cathedrals can be functional before their construction is complete, having a long-running construction process allows the design to be more responsive to the populace's changing needs.

Also, in a world where leaders lived and died based on the approval of a centralized papal authority, it's just good politics to be known as "that city that's constantly been building that huge cathedral".

[0] https://theprepared.org/features/2019/4/28/building-a-cathed...

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

woobar wrote: post #181
laurent92 wrote: post #146

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The case study of the ADHD trend in general population is Mission Impossible IV. It is filmed by shoulder cameras and the mounter is just playing piano on the console: there isn’t a shot longer than 4s in the entire movie, and the average of changing camera angle is 0,7s. All you can get is an impression of the main character on any given image, but you can’t rest and you can’t contemplate. This is especially comical…

I think this is an exaggeration. Short/Long takes are an artistic decision. We have recent movies that are a few long takes (sometime pretending to be a single take) 1917, Birdman, Russian Ark (true single take) all shot in recent years. Same with TV: True Detective has a famous long take scene, Mr. Robot, BCS.

A little cheer for Russian Ark. I liked it. Done as said, in one take.

Spot the bit well into the film where the guy nearly drops the book, you can feel the oncoming-but-narrowly-averted pain.

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by graton »

laurent92 wrote: post #146
simias wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed that the latest trend on social networks is to have ultra-sped up mini-videos, I think because it's popular on Instagram or TikTok (or both?). It's as if our entire civilization had suddenly caught ADHD. Frankly maybe I'm old school but I found the Youtube version a lot more palatable, I could understand what was going on much butter, take a few seconds to understand the how the contraptions worked. When…

The case study of the ADHD trend in general population is Mission Impossible IV. It is filmed by shoulder cameras and the mounter is just playing piano on the console: there isn’t a shot longer than 4s in the entire movie, and the average of changing camera angle is 0,7s. All you can get is an impression of the main character on any given image, but you can’t rest and you can’t contemplate. This is especially comical…

> The case study of the ADHD trend in general population is Mission Impossible IV. It is filmed by shoulder cameras and the mounter is just playing piano on the console: there isn’t a shot longer than 4s in the entire movie, and the average of changing camera angle is 0,7s.

Seems like hyperbole. I just looked at Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol (aka Mission Impossible IV).

In the first two minutes there were multiple shots of over 10 seconds.

And at the 0:14:44 mark there is a 24 second shot.

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by graton »

JxLS-cpgbe0 wrote: post #159
laurent92 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The case study of the ADHD trend in general population is Mission Impossible IV. It is filmed by shoulder cameras and the mounter is just playing piano on the console: there isn’t a shot longer than 4s in the entire movie, and the average of changing camera angle is 0,7s. All you can get is an impression of the main character on any given image, but you can’t rest and you can’t contemplate. This is especially comical…

> there isn’t a shot longer than 4s in the entire movie is this hyperbole? Genuinely asking.

Seems like hyperbole. I just looked at Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol (aka Mission Impossible IV).

In the first two minutes there were multiple shots of over 10 seconds.

And at the 0:14:44 mark there is a 24 second shot.

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by woobar »

coldcode wrote: post #111
jacquesm wrote: post #34

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There is absolutely no difference between a human from 6000 years ago and one today. You could be an Einstein level genius back then, and likely unable to use any of those skills other than for the optimization of your environment. Also, you likely would not be able to use the bulk of it because your education would be non-existent, so your IQ compared to someone today would be much lower even though your raw intelli…

The Egyptians built the pyramids without computers or modern construction equipment. Building the Great Pyramid of Giza today would be a massive project even with modern technology. Yet someone figured out not only how to build it, but organize the workers, the logistics, and manage a long term project without much more than a reed and papyrus.

We have built better pyramids with modern technology. Luxor LV has comparable size but provide much more utility. Transamerica Pyramid and The Shard dwarf Egyptian pyramids.

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by InitialLastName »

rendall wrote: post #110
bnegreve wrote: post #101

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> As humans, we have a tendency to be pessimistic Maybe, but it is not because we tend to be overly pessimistic in general, that serious problems cannot happen to us. Entire civilizations have diapered in the past, so we should remain vigilant. After all, another bias that humans have, is a strong tendency to believe that what is true now, will remain true forever.

Very, very, very true. The light of civilization is a flickering candle in the darkness I often think about the city-states along the Silk Road: healthy, peaceful, cultured, unprecedented prosperity for their time. All defeated when the hordes of Genghis Kahn rode by, many utterly destroyed The Empire of Mali. The Kingdom of Lithuania. Macedon. Tyre. Babylon. Carthage. Samarkand. Assyria. All once mighty, all gone, p…

> The Empire of Mali. The Kingdom of Lithuania. Macedon. Tyre. Babylon. Carthage. Samarkand. Assyria. All once mighty, all gone, perhaps a place-name remains, if that

Aside from perhaps Macedon and Carthage (indirectly via Rome) most of those don't even warrant a mention in the high school history curriculum (in the US, at least).

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by hrktb »

simias wrote: post #138
TeMPOraL wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As _Microft says, the gif is making rounds on the Internet (I've seen it last night on Mastodon). And to be honest, I'm not surprised that it beats the video - it communicates the exact same information, and the same sense of awe as the original video, but in a much more time-efficient manner. Watching the original now, I can't shake the feeling of how boringly slow it is.

I've noticed that the latest trend on social networks is to have ultra-sped up mini-videos, I think because it's popular on Instagram or TikTok (or both?). It's as if our entire civilization had suddenly caught ADHD. Frankly maybe I'm old school but I found the Youtube version a lot more palatable, I could understand what was going on much butter, take a few seconds to understand the how the contraptions worked. When…

Watched both, and it was clearer to me to go through the sped up version three times than watching the whole 3 min on youtube.

Most of us are used to faster paced information delivery, and we still go back to what we missed or want to check more in detail.

That’s what we deal with day in day out, and I don’t think we end up with an understanding that is shallower than when stopping at each frame for 5 seconds.

I find it sad it becomes some “kids these days” rant material when it’s just a matter of preferred watching pace.

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by frankjr »

aunlead wrote: post #188
frankjr wrote: post #59

Fun fact: Charles bridge (depicted in the video) was damaged during a flood in 1890. With the water level risen, broken down rafts were beating its arches and two of them fell apart, along with three pillars that were undermined by the water. During the reconstruction of the pillars, they decided to make them hollow (to cut on the weight) and you can actually go inside! It's not open to the public but there's a video…

Normally I do not pay attention to ads but was curious to know - what was that Santa selling! And I can't speak a word of Czech. 1:26' into the video - Is that guy praying? Read there are statues of Saints on the bridge. Found an image of 1872 flood - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bridge#/media/File:FFr...

> Normally I do not pay attention to ads but was curious to know - what was that Santa selling!

Haha, you mean the long bearded guy with a dog sitting next to him? That was a commercial for a search engine [0]. The premise of the commercial is that people come to this wise old man for advice and he seems to know everything, while in reality he just uses the search engine to look up the information.

> 1:26' into the video - Is that guy praying? Read there are statues of Saints on the bridge.

There's a lot of statues [1] but my first guess would be that the guy was simply begging for money. I could be wrong though.

[0] https://search.seznam.cz

[1] https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochy_na_Karlov%C4%9B_most%C4%... (the English version of the page doesn't have that many pictures)

Re: Animation of how bridges were built in Central Europe in the Middle Ages [video]

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Post by dredmorbius »

dmurray wrote: post #98
TeMPOraL wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As _Microft says, the gif is making rounds on the Internet (I've seen it last night on Mastodon). And to be honest, I'm not surprised that it beats the video - it communicates the exact same information, and the same sense of awe as the original video, but in a much more time-efficient manner. Watching the original now, I can't shake the feeling of how boringly slow it is.

If you think the 3-minute video was slow, the actual original took 45 years.

An 8,000,000:1 ratio,† for what it's worth.

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Notes:

† Roughly. Using GNU units: 45 years / 3 minutes = 7889231.5

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