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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by ranjitcool1 »

deskamess wrote: post #148
ranjitcool1 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your line of questioning tells me you have little to no knowledge, period. Visit India and figure it out yourself. Comparing India to SA or Bowtswana tells me that You weren’t taught well, so not your fault, it’s ok, there is still time for you to go back to school.

Shucks... so sad I am unschooled. > Comparing India to SA or Bowtswana Have you been to Botswana? It is a pretty modern nation and a well run country. Lets look at some numbers and COMPARE. GDP per capita (2017): India: $1,980 Botswana: $7,894 China: $8,612 Botswana: has a better GDP/capita AND higher ranked democracy than India. Less corruption too (if you look it up). Always good to school yourself - with facts.

You are expecting a 1.3 billion people country to run and be efficient as a 2.5 million people country. Oh Americahhhhhh the items you produce :)

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Post by srean »

sbmthakur wrote: post #79
yxhuvud wrote: post #58

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They could also chose to operate in regions where there is no democracy. Like in the Kashmir region.

It's been several decades that Kashmir has a crippled democracy, no thanks to the insurgency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmi...

Funnily it still manages to come out better compared to many other states were insurgency is not an egregious problem.

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Post by detaro »

arjun1296 wrote: post #124
xrisk wrote: post #75

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I meant that all the evidence was circumstantial, which was admitted by even the court.

What do you mean by circumstantial? He was a trained militant that dropped out of medical college who went to Pakistan for militancy training to wage ware against the sovereign state of India. He had knowledge of the criminal conspiracy and arranged logistical support to terrorists. I don't think he was innocent. But I don't think he deserved capital punishment. The likes of Amnesty International was involved in pros…

> The likes of Amnesty International was involved in proselytizing him as revolutionary hero and that was totally uncalled for.

Source? The Amnesty International link upthread about his execution does nothing like that, but is criticism of a) the law under which he was sentenced and b) that and how the execution was done (which AI is strongly opposed to and criticizing everywhere)

FWIW, this sounds quite similar to criticism of orgs like them in the west when people also can't understand why they'd defend bad people

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Post by pvaldes »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #160
sandworm101 wrote: post #155

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>> which advocates stratification of society based on the birth Not a unique to Indian nationalism. American nationalism is very similar. See the "birther" movement. Or the president's push to withdraw birth right citizenship, a concept that would deny far more than just education. Or the references to "anchor babies". The location of one's birthplace, and the birthplace of one's parents, is of fundamental importance…

Ironic given that Donald Trumps grandfather was an immigrant - and German immigrants where subject to discrimination.

Rich immigrants and poor immigrants are seen often as totally different categories.

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Post by apexkid »

sumedh wrote: post #68
apexkid wrote: post #24

Indians are very pleased at this decision. Amnesty has been a major organization to hold biased views of human rights of terrorist in Kashmir without accounting for the loss of citizens life that are damaged due to terrorism. Their agenda has always been motivated while operating in India. A diverse and large country like India doesn't need such an organization preaching whats right. India is largest democracy on fac…

> Indians are very pleased at this decision. Do you speak for all Indians?

No but the government which took this decision won 60%+ seats in last election. So I speak for democracy.

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Post by doomslice »

djsumdog wrote: post #174
doomslice wrote: post #131

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> In America we are seeing rioters constantly classified by the media as protestors. Could you show me some instances of this? I've heard this repeated but I haven't actually seen it myself.

I made this video on CHAZ: https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-... Here are some of the rioters in Portland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zthJUf31MA Here are some peaceful protestors trying to break into a Federal Courthouse in Portland using a circular saw: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286915433828724736 Portland rioters were also disguising themselves as press: https://twitter.c…

I'm not saying there weren't riots/rioters/looters.

But you said that the media was misrepresenting cases of this as peaceful protests and I said I haven't seen anything like that.

The links you posted are mostly them being called rioters (and one super-cut of something that's not a protest or a riot).

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Post by djsumdog »

malware7 wrote: post #86
ashleshbiradar wrote: post #51

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this post is from a reputed source, I see no reason why it should be taken down. As far as I am concerned, this is not a subjective thing, the crack down on Amnesty International in the country is not subject to individual opinions.

It just happens that the "reputed source" itself is under question for source of their funding. What you consider reputed is your opinion, not a fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_Internati...

Wikipedia is not a good source for anything remotely controversial at this time. One of the founders did a great post on it:

https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

If you do read Wikipedia, always do two things:

1) Read the Talk page

2) Go to the history and read the same article from 2005 ~ 2010

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Post by arjun1296 »

Chris2048 wrote: post #178
arjun1296 wrote: post #172

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Globally, Hindus are a minority. So whether its a liberal or conservative foreigner(Christian or Muslim), to them Muslims are usually a minority. And foreigners are easily susceptible to believe the claims of Muslims being a minority without even checking the realities. Tthey almost always fail to understand that it is Hindus who is the real minority in Jammu and Kashmir. Morevoer, Christians and Muslims are of Abhra…

> Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners.. How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?

Its pretty much evident from woke publications of western media

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Post by oa335 »

malware7 wrote: post #183
oa335 wrote: post #173

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What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.

I did read the entire article, which documented a pattern of back and forth communal violence stretching back decades. My point was that it's odd to focus on the one wave of refugees and ignore the others. Reparations for historical wrongs shouldn't be restricted to just one group.

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Post by apexkid »

commoner wrote: post #134
nilsocket wrote: post #127

How about people educate themselves regarding Amnesty. https://www.opindia.com/2019/09/the-life-and-crimes-of-amnes...

> OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news portal founded in 2014 by Rahul Raj and Kumar Kamal. The website has published fake news and anti-Muslim commentary on multiple occasions, including a 2020 incident in which it falsely claimed that a Hindu boy was sacrificed in a Bihar mosque. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia

You must be an NDTV viewer so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDTV

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