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Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#191

It's sad how these valuable optimizations are unknown to the average person. When I hear "the browser" discussed in almost any parlance, the implication is Chrome. It's rare to even hear someone say "Chrome," as it's the defacto choice for the non-mobile web. Convenience breeds ignorance.

I'm not sure I see it. Do you perhaps use Chrome yourself and hence the implication? Because it seems everyone just says "browser" regardless of if it's Safari, Edge, Firefox or something else (but it's a fact that Chrome is currently most popular by far). Why would somebody even draw the distinction between what is mostly interchangeable products, unless they have specific technical discussion about that product? It's not like instead of saying "my shoes are wet" people usually would say "my Nike Air Max 93 are wet". It's nonsense.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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post #181

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I've literally seen people commenting that they don't use firefox because chrome seems faster. (...and also, how on earth did you get it to use that much memory? I'm sitting over 500 tabs, albeit mostly unloaded, and 6 extensions, on a system with only 6GB installed)

Just curious (not being snarky): what is the advantage of kepeing 500 tabs open? How does it work? I rarely have more than 10 open, and I've been using tabs ever since tabs on browsers were invented. (I was using browsers before tabs existed) I feel I might have missed some trend here.

Since you ask an honest question, I will give an honest answer:

> How does it work?

Poorly.

I do this because I open tabs for a project and then move on to the next thing before I finish, and serializing into a bookmark folder is more work than I'm willing to invest in the moment. I'm trying to get better at keeping work in real tickets but it's still more work than just leaving the tabs out for future-me to come back to.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#193
post #84

Sounds like a challenge! Time to write JavaScript that's even more questionable.

That's the first thing that I thought of too --- if browsers get faster, sites that are already full of terribly inefficient and unnecessary JS will just get worse to compensate. Somewhat like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law but at a different level of abstraction.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#194
post #167

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Whew, that is the sentiment of a true plutocrat and elitist. You're weak unless you're rich and pay to rent in the good part of town. Sure, it's desirable to look serious to commercial partners and investors, but mostly it's an Internet branding tax. Most of your customers will Google your site.

> Most of your customers will Google your site. And that's why seeing ".com" is important. You just proved his point, duh.

How proved the point ?search engine then click.

If people checking the link was a concern the whole spam/phishing scamming industry would be out of a job

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#195

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> years doesn't have long to live the market share is really worrying but OTOH Mozilla just secured another multi year deal with Google so in the short-medium term they are fine financially. I hope that a reason for all those projects cuts is at least partially creation of finacial reserves, in theory they do have enough cash and momentum to stay technologically relevant for at least 10 years.

Google needs Firefox to exist for anti-trust reasons. If they don’t buy fire fox’s traffic, bing will.

Safari and edge are enough, I doubt google needs Firefox as a competitor like gates needed Apple (and injected funds)

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#196
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious (not being snarky): what is the advantage of kepeing 500 tabs open? How does it work? I rarely have more than 10 open, and I've been using tabs ever since tabs on browsers were invented. (I was using browsers before tabs existed) I feel I might have missed some trend here.

Since you ask an honest question, I will give an honest answer: > How does it work? Poorly. I do this because I open tabs for a project and then move on to the next thing before I finish, and serializing into a bookmark folder is more work than I'm willing to invest in the moment. I'm trying to get better at keeping work in real tickets but it's still more work than just leaving the tabs out for future-me to come bac…

Ah I see the thinking behind it now. Wouldn’t you lose those tabs if you happen to logout or if the system restarts?

I usually have bookmark folders because I’m always afraid I might fat-finger-close a tab or something.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#197
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Every oil change

So you change your oil every 20,000 miles?

There is motor oil rated to 20,000 miles or more.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/ou...

https://www.amsoil.com/p/signature-series-5w-30-synthetic-mo...

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#198
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you ask an honest question, I will give an honest answer: > How does it work? Poorly. I do this because I open tabs for a project and then move on to the next thing before I finish, and serializing into a bookmark folder is more work than I'm willing to invest in the moment. I'm trying to get better at keeping work in real tickets but it's still more work than just leaving the tabs out for future-me to come bac…

Ah I see the thinking behind it now. Wouldn’t you lose those tabs if you happen to logout or if the system restarts? I usually have bookmark folders because I’m always afraid I might fat-finger-close a tab or something.

I'm just using the "Restore previous session" option and it seems to have worked fine. I don't specifically remember losing any sessions in a long time.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#199
post #84

Sounds like a challenge! Time to write JavaScript that's even more questionable.

That's the first thing that I thought of too --- if browsers get faster, sites that are already full of terribly inefficient and unnecessary JS will just get worse to compensate. Somewhat like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law but at a different level of abstraction.

More like Jevons Paradox.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#200
post #191

It's sad how these valuable optimizations are unknown to the average person. When I hear "the browser" discussed in almost any parlance, the implication is Chrome. It's rare to even hear someone say "Chrome," as it's the defacto choice for the non-mobile web. Convenience breeds ignorance.

I'm not sure I see it. Do you perhaps use Chrome yourself and hence the implication? Because it seems everyone just says "browser" regardless of if it's Safari, Edge, Firefox or something else (but it's a fact that Chrome is currently most popular by far). Why would somebody even draw the distinction between what is mostly interchangeable products, unless they have specific technical discussion about that product? It…

Not OP but I've made similar experiences. Here in Germany Firefox for a really long time had the plurality of the market share even while in most other countries Chrome had already won. Everyone knew what Firefox was.

Three to four years ago was the first time, particular among young people, teenagers say, that I met kids who didn't know what Firefox was. It has lost an extreme amount of awareness.

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