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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by grumple »

johnnyfaehell wrote: post #152
grumple wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other types of crime require crimes against people. I know easily dozens of people who have dealt drugs, half of them are small women, and none of them would hurt anyone or commit other crimes. Your argument is unsupported by evidence.

My argument is supported by crime statistics that show lots of drug dealers are convicted of other crimes. I would like to point out that I used the word lots and not many, not most, not all. I specifically used the word lots. So counter statements like yours couldn't be used. And if we're going to be pedantic, I guess it's my turn. > Other types of crime require crimes against people. There area many crimes where yo…

The word "lots" is what's called a weasel word [1]. 1000 is "lots". Is it a lot if there are a million drug dealers? How does it compare to other crime correlations? Or general rates in the population?

Your logic is fallacious. You know what has a 100% correlation with dealing drugs and committing those other crimes? Breathing. Drinking water. Eating. Correlation tells us little. Perhaps it does hint that a disregard for authority exists.

Also I'd say most of those crimes are not victimless...

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by cnst »

I've always been conscious of fingerprints potentially showing up in the photos.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after you.

The same thing goes about keys -- it's amazing how people willingly share photos of their keys (with full signature and all) in full view.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by yboris »

antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

My favorite book on the topic is "Legalize This!" by Douglas Husak arguing that we should decriminalize all drugs.

Surprisingly, the prohibition of alcohol in 1920's did not punish alcohol drinkers, just distributors. This model for drugs today would be a major improvement over the draconian treatment we have of the non-violent drug offenders.

https://www.amazon.com/Legalize-This-Decriminalizing-Practic...

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

belorn wrote: post #142
bunfunton wrote: post #42

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Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

> Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? The answer to that question that I see is that the government is responsible to step in when someone else get hurt under humanitarian obligations. If you make someone responsible for an outcome then they will likely want to implement rules to reduce their own risks. The rules should of course be proportional to the risk an…

Governments shouldn't be responsible for the outcome of their people, the individual should. This is the perspective difference we share. It's really a choice between individual freedom despite possible negative stats "addictions" vs less freedom and more government control while optimizing number of addictions. I value my personal freedom and see no reason why the government should pay for healthcare. In the USA, they caused this distorted market to begin with (see also student loan bubble)

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

nip180 wrote: post #181
lambdaba wrote: post #98

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Sugar costs way more in health consequences. It's easier to recover from abuse from most drugs than sugar, which is a slow poison, yet available everywhere and given to us since early childhood (actually, in the womb).

That’s absurd and incorrect. It’s significantly safer to expose an unborn child to sugar than alcohol, cocaine, meth, or heroin.

It is not significantly safer. If we are comparing like to like, then we are not talking about a one time exposure, we are talking about addiction and regular exposure. Addiction to sugar will almost always result in a high BMI.

"Having a high BMI during pregnancy has been linked to an increased risk of various health problems for a baby, including:

    Birth defects
    Being significantly larger than average (fetal macrosomia)
    Impaired growth
    Childhood asthma
    Childhood obesity
" [1]

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-...

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by yboris »

sneak wrote: post #9

The amount of resources that the US federal government will use to pursue ridiculously long sentences (that frequently involve torture[1]) against people who did not victimize a single person is absolutely insane to me. The prohibition on the possession and sale of drugs must come to an end, and weapons charges should never, ever be brought against anyone who didn't use weapons to commit a crime or otherwise perpetra…

You make an excellent point about the rigged justice system: by accusing a defendant with numerous crimes, they are encouraged to skip a fair trial and take a plea bargain. This is an immense erosion of the justice system.

A brilliant book on this (and related) topics is "Overcriminalization" by Douglas Husak

https://www.amazon.com/Overcriminalization-Limits-Criminal-D...

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

ketophp wrote: post #166
bunfunton wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

2.5 mg methamphetamine daily saved my life. Compared to dexamphetamine: - It has less cardiovascular impact (no cold extremities, no excessive sweating, less "fight or flight") - It has a lower impact on sleep (I can take a nap while under the influence) - It lasts longer (9 to 12 hours, compared to 4 to 6) - It makes living a balanced live easier (dexamphetamine would feed perseveration, meth makes switching tasks m…

Glad to see somebody else benefiting. Agree with most of the above, I do believe therapeutic doses are well studied and tolerated since this was frontline treatment a few decades ago.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by slim »

detaro wrote: post #145
slim wrote: post #140

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this is not news. in 2008 CCC published finger prints of Angela Merkel https://www.wired.com/2008/03/hackers-publish/

> in 2008 CCC published finger prints of Angela Merkel The article you link neither talks about a fingerprint of Angela Merkel nor about a fingerprint recovered from a photograph. (But a CCC group did indeed years later show a politicians fingerprint recovered from a photo, but again not Merkels)

sorry

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

pitay wrote: post #125
leadingthenet wrote: post #69

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Stop it with the hyperbole, as you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Methamphetamine is routinely prescribed for the treatment ADHD (also obesity and narcolepsy, amongst other off-label uses), and is sold under the brand name of Desoxyn (in the US). Meth IS medication! On that note, maybe don’t believe everything you read about drugs online.

I may need to clear up a misconception of mine, so here goes. Isn't it Dexamphetamine that is the routine treatment for ADHD? As far as I understood, methamphetamine has much stronger effects than dexamphetamine, also meth been prone to cause more adverse effects and have more neurotoxicity than the dex counterpart? Maybe I'm completely off base here.

dexamphetamine / dextroamphetamine works well but over-focuses me (could watch paint dry) and causes depression + robotic behavior after a few days. Every med is distinctly different, even different isomers of the same chemical.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

jonquest wrote: post #60
bunfunton wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

I challenge to do a google image search for faces of meth and come back and say that again with a straight face. That stuff is a poison that destroys both mind and body. If you think self control is enough to keep that stuff from rotting your face, making your hair fall out and keep yourself from going crazy you are foolish. Comparing it to ADHD medications is plain and simple stupid. If you think meth is the drug yo…

Actually I've tried most all of the alternative stims and they all affect me worse in all areas of life. Meth is a drug used to treat ADHD and is FDA approved for this reason.
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