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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

mcny wrote: post #175
fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

> here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free Expel Spain from the EU. Economic blockade. Whatever it takes. At least the UK held a referendum on Scotland. Fake promises and all but we can't jail dissidents just because they try to form a separate country in today's world.

For the uninitiated...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_movement

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by gostsamo »

dalbasal wrote: post #164
gostsamo wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Issue is that in the EU the states have too much power that they don't want to let go. Currently, each country can block any EU-wide legislation on the main topics and the minor need two thirds approval.* * Actually 55% of the countries, but they must have 65% of the population which means that France and Germany are enough to block everything proposed by all the others even they all get together.

I disagree. That might become a problem, or be a problem in places... but it's not the problem. The primary problems (IMO) are: (1) Influence of multinational interest. Regulation could literally half FB's EU revenue without being very radical, for example. (2) Lack of polity. The EU parliament is a clown house and becoming worse. There is no political public discourse around it. It doesn't have power. Voters use it…

Well, the Euro Commission is nominated by the state governments and only approved by the EP. Every decision of the EP could be blocked from the euro council which is again formed by the state leaders. Do you see a pattern here or something?

I know that Daily Mail and the like love to hate Brussels but Brussels is only what it is let to be.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by fvv »

kodablah wrote: post #173
fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn maybe, but it is scary to see such non-free actions encouraged against digital content.

otherwise you risk condemning in words while the regime begins to control and censor your words as well, while you continue to condemn without doing anything, perhaps with a hint of disdain or is it perhaps too much? there are those who take the south china sea, and then declare the republic of taiwan separationist and threaten to invade it weekly, not afraid to show strength, for the simple "desire for reunification" when they have been more separated than united in the last 200 years, invades hong-kong, tramples rights where it controls and then appeals to rights to trample them where before it had no power, we must be careful not to confuse the right of all with the duty to defend the rights of all and the right to express yourself and act is not the same as the right to silence or block,

  blocking those who block is freeing those who are blocked is not becoming like them.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by fvv »

fvv wrote: post #193
kodablah wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn maybe, but it is scary to see such non-free actions encouraged against digital content.

otherwise you risk condemning in words while the regime begins to control and censor your words as well, while you continue to condemn without doing anything, perhaps with a hint of disdain or is it perhaps too much? there are those who take the south china sea, and then declare the republic of taiwan separationist and threaten to invade it weekly, not afraid to show strength, for the simple "desire for reunification…

you have to have the courage to think, to be indifferent/careless you risk depriving the earth under your feet one pebble at a time

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by zo1 »

ThomPete wrote: post #53
simion314 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the point, make a new law. I mean FB way where I can target with ads extremely precise groups make it possible to systematically slit a nation in all the political regions, split the population in relevant groups, and preciously target them non stop with fake or misleading stuff. This could be fixed in many , many ways - like not allowing political ads, or not allowing targeted political ads, or labeling clea…

It's not about fake news it's about data access.

The data is pretty clear in a lot of cases on contentious issues. It's the interpretation that is being driven/manipulated and weaponized for some agenda.

E.g. people have had all the data for car accidents for decades, and yet we don't have a large, concerted movement to ban or "reinvent" cars/roads/driving/driver's licenses even though it could save tens of thousands of lives. Likewise, we've had police and crime statistics for decades as well but only recently had a "big movement" mobilize around addressing some of it. Additionally, we have all the data to "call in to question" some of the hard narratives of said movement, yet people are doubling-down on it. At some point we have to agree that it's not about data anymore. It's about mind-share, and feelings/emotions and other intangible things that are causing shifts that we should all be worried about.

With that in mind, it's absolutely clear to me that we should be taking a close look and scrutinize the platforms that can cause such societal shifts. TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, Google Search, etc. They can all explicitly or at the very-least subtly manipulate and drive societal movements/impressions on issues. At least let's agree that they promote certain types of viral topics/movements that have criteria that make them more "virable".

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by awkward »

fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

It's the paradox of tolerance. How do you tolerate a platform that doesn't conform to your idea of tolerance? How do you distinguish that censorship from, say, Marvel rewriting Doctor Strange to remove Tibet?

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by FpUser »

pryce wrote: post #61
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

I am coming to believe that what we are seeing is a kind of "race" to see which aspiring superpowers will eventually control (or own) the main companies that are intentionally the most successful in invading the privacy of citizens. People can only inhabit a finite number of social media networks, and there can eventually only be a fairly small number of big players in a position to produce massively detailed rich pr…

Or maybe one day people will realize that there is a life beyond the friggin' social networks. They have their uses but the degree to which people depend on them is not very healthy.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by smel »

fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

I think every country should ban foreign companies so we can have only national internet ? there is no need for global US companies taking over the world. Nobody trust China and nobody should trust US companies anyway. I live in the supposed "free world" there is no such thing. All over the world there is two classes : dominants and dominated

So please don't be so small minded bringing this "free world" propaganda terms here...

Peace

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by kome »

mcny wrote: post #175
fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

> here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free Expel Spain from the EU. Economic blockade. Whatever it takes. At least the UK held a referendum on Scotland. Fake promises and all but we can't jail dissidents just because they try to form a separate country in today's world.

I know it is completely off-topic AND I know I will be down-voted to death, but it is indeed absolutely shameful what happened in Spain. And we cannot tolerate this in the European Union.

Also the European Court of Justice (ECJ) agrees that separatist politicians should not be jailed for their opinions as elected officials: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50808766

More info: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/spain-...

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by kodablah »

iratewizard wrote: post #185
kodablah wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn maybe, but it is scary to see such non-free actions encouraged against digital content.

What do you think about the banning of Cuban cigars? Genuine question, not being an ass.

Myself? Against that particular type of banning, granted I can understand general economic reasoning even though I disagree. Now, banning one single brand of cigars even if they are following the law? Completely against that type of targeted banning, and I would immediately question the motives.

Same goes for Huawei or any company/product. You are allowed if you don't break the law. I don't care the origin, I care about the rule of [contestable] law over unilateral action. I may disagree with many laws, but I respect the process much more.

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