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Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by vetinari »

Tsarbomb wrote: post #190
vetinari wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is systemd/systemctl still broken on WSL2? How do you deploy on Ubuntu, when the service control layer is incompatible between Ubuntu and WSL2?

Why would you assume he is deploying to a prod environment that lives in WSL2? That's a ridiculous assumption. This individual clearly develops and builds with WSL2 and ships to to Ubuntu VMs or as Ubuntu based containers to some orchestration engine.

The point was not that the prod lives in WSL2.

The point was that the development and deployment environment are vastly different.

Developing with different environment than prod is difficult; missing service management layer is a huge difference. WSL2 is optimized to show the shell quickly, but in the background, quite a lot is missing.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by bborud »

chongli wrote: post #132
bborud wrote: post #96

I used Linux as my main operating system on the desktop for 16-17 years before switching to OSX. The reason was that I was tired of having laptops that didn't work properly and the endless weeks of tweaking whenever I got a new laptop. It also helped that Macbooks were pretty decent laptops. I needed a portable UNIX machine. First and foremost. The software available for it was a bonus. In the latter half of the 2010…

I honestly miss the classic Macs of the 80s and 90s. Sure they had their bad points. The operating system let badly-behaved applications stomp all over the address space and crash the machine, and preference files (as well as the desktop database) got corrupted frequently. But they were so easy to use! The operating system was so simple you as one person could understand the whole thing. There weren’t countless backg…

Nice try. Tell you what: what if you come work for me and deal with developers whose machines break and deciding how to spend a limited hardware budget so as to maximise productivity and minimize downtime.

I am, of course, assuming you will be doing this for free. Certainly the opportunity to troll people will be its own reward.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by scruffyherder »

randomsearch wrote: post #73
AnonHP wrote: post #14

It used to be a long running joke as well as practical wisdom on the Windows side to always wait for SP1 (Service Pack 1) for better stability and never to install the X.0 version. For all the “doubling down on Mac” that Apple’s senior employees harp about in interviews, macOS itself has been focusing more on eye candy and iOS parity than on stability. For my machines, I switch to Linux once macOS updates are no long…

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

I have a 2013 trash can, Catalina kernel panics non stop every 2 hours. Googling around and I found so many others with issues. I got the fan app and cranked the fans full blast thinking it was over heating, I even tore the system down and replaced the thermal paste and cleaned it down, and all I did was drop the idle temp by 1 degree, but still constant kernel panics.

I downgraded to Mojave as I wanted 32bit back, and as a last try before I just gut it for CPU and RAM, and it’ll run for weeks at a time, with me moving, and updates the only thing that had me reboot or shut down.

There is no QA at Apple, they clearly never tested Catalina on a 2013 Mac Pro.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by scruffyherder »

brundolf wrote: post #6

> We are heading rapidly towards the corollary to “it just works” being “and if it doesn’t, just wipe everything and re-install”. Is this really all that bad? In the era of everything living in the cloud, it generally takes me only a couple hours to setup a system again from scratch. Not that I've ever had to do this on macOS personally (though I did once on iOS), but if I had, I wouldn't be terribly upset about it.…

If you are on an island that has no wired comms and you are restricted to a 4g connection that thousands seem to share the thought of re downloading 100s of gb at 9kb/sec isn’t something to look forward to.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by scruffyherder »

Voliokis wrote: post #40
bookmarkable wrote: post #21

I feel for developers on macOS bugs, bloat and unreliability, but for many users, it still works every day for 5 to 7 years without issue, and updates just mean some new emoji are available.

Unless you're on a device that can only be upgraded to 10.13, after which it won't get security updates anymore after 11 is released. Meanwhile, I can still put W10 on 10-12 year old PCs and it'll run fine (if the hardware wasn't particularly terrible even for back then). It might not support some of the latest features, but it works and you're not subject to some arbitrary decision by Microsoft as to whether you're…

Add some SSD for the OS, and a budget GPU, you don’t have to go crazy and 10 will be very usable.

Even a 2006 Mac Pro, with 3ghz processors, SSD and a GTX 1030 is still great for day to day.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by IndySun »

encom wrote: post #90
sneak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can take them at their word: they tell us what is end-to-end encrypted, plainly. Everything not on that list is not, and thus readable by Apple. The critical items not end-to-end encrypted being device backups, photos, notes, email. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Trust but verify. Apples word is worth nothing.

How do us lesser technically minded verify?

Probably a question for a post all of its own.

Care to start it??

You will? Yes!

Awesome!!

A winking icon....

But, seriously, how...?

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by kalleboo »

minimaul wrote: post #108
kalleboo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a lot of problems with Mojave and Catalina solved some of them. Catalina has been fine for me since the teething problems (and also it takes a week after install to make your way through all the permissions dialogs) I'm on the Big Sur beta and even this late in the game it's really rough. You're better off upgrading to Catalina and sticking to that than making the jump to Big Sur after it comes out.

I'm really surprised at that - I've been running Big Sur as my main OS on my personal laptop since dev beta 2 and it's been pretty solid. A few small rough edges but it largely just works for me.

In the current beta I still have issues like the `bird` process being perpetually stuck at burning half a core, Spotlight no longer finding anything local (only web results) after a few days (until a reboot), my USB randomly stopping working (until I reboot), nearly daily timeout kernel panics undocking from my USB-C dock, and more stuff that doesn't come to mind right now

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by guanplee »

tester89 wrote: post #177

> We are heading rapidly towards the corollary to “it just works” being “and if it doesn’t, just wipe everything and re-install”. This was my experience with an issue where my Mac just hangs for 30 s randomly.

I experience this also, turns out the bluetooth was trying to detect keyboards and mouse even after I turned it off and explicitly turn off all bluetooth on startup options.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Post by chewz »

frank2 wrote: post #176
chewz wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For good, stable GUI install ChromeOS and then for CLI crostini or crosh/crouton do decent job as they are really just debian.. Neverware builds should work out of the box for MacAir. I am using this for more then 3 years on Macs now and never considered going back to MacOS disaster.

Will you consider going back after Google makes it so that you cannot use Ublock Origin or similar level of adblocking in Chrome or is there some way to install a different browser on ChromeOS I don't know about?

Not going back to MacOS. I really lost heart for Apple software.

Perhaps BSD or some Linux? I can also drop Macbooks as their build quality tanked after 2015 and sooner or later I should get a new hardware.

Personaly I am not a Google hater. They do a lot wrong and stupid things but I am still seeing Google as net positive. Perhaps thats naive.

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